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[FRAFPDD]

thats just how our driver works, we take it on the chin, its a shame his detractors cant.

No he doesnt. No you dont.

In Monaco he claimed the FIA are after him because he's black.
In Canada he went and had a social meeting with Red Bull.
And how about the fans?

Doesnt look kuch like taking it in the chin, now does it....

I have NOT, come back from my ban to get involved in stuff like this again, i have no warnings now and im hoping to keep it that way. If you want to argue facts we'll argue facts, all else is meaningless.

Lewis crashed due to his driving style, he went for it, i admire that, even when its detrimental, which it rarely is, i admire it.

Im not bothered about it, im not bothered about Monaco, im not bothered about Spa 2008, or Monza 2010 im not bothered, i dont care.

It is taken on the chin by me at least and we move on, formula one moves on, so should everyone else

[f1ea]

Its quoted as me for some reason but that second quoted paragraph is property of DeMure

ooopsie. Fixed.

I have NOT, come back from my ban to get involved in stuff like this again, i have no warnings now and im hoping to keep it that way. If you want to argue facts we'll argue facts, all else is meaningless.

Good! but it doesnt mean you dont have to get involved in stuff like it... just dont do whatever it was you did that got you fishing (which i dont even know what it was).

I love it how if Lewis has a chat with Horner its out of the ordinary. Drivers and team bosses are always in each others motorhomes, I remember in Spa 09 i have a photo of domenicali in the BrawnGP motorhome talking to Ross. What does that mean?

Its no big deal really. More or less the same as if Webber had gone for a meeting with Domenicali right after the Silverstone episode of last yr, for example. Or the same as if Fernando had gone to the Red Bull motorhome after Abu Dhabi.... but they didnt.

Lots of different ways to say stuff. But the team bosses know this already.

[acosmichippo]

And regarding Jenson's checking of his mirrors: When he looked to the mirrors, Lewis was still directly behind him. When he looked back to the road is when Lewis made a sudden move to the outside. As far as Jenson knew, Lewis was still behind him, or perhaps taking the more logical pass on the inside.

Also, regarding the "What is he doing?!?!": My theory is that Jenson said this after the incident when lewis cut the next turn, and nearly ran into Jenson in the process. There's no telling exactly when Jenson said that.

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[deMuRe]

thats just how our driver works, we take it on the chin, its a shame his detractors cant.

No he doesnt. No you dont.

In Monaco he claimed the FIA are after him because he's black.
In Canada he went and had a social meeting with Red Bull.
And how about the fans?

Doesnt look kuch like taking it in the chin, now does it....

I love it how if Lewis has a chat with Horner its out of the ordinary. Drivers and team bosses are always in each others motorhomes, I remember in Spa 09 i have a photo of domenicali in the BrawnGP motorhome talking to Ross. What does that mean?

Yep, Button definitely pushed Lewis over, Martin Brundle was trying to subtly tell the world that Jensen was looking right at his mirrors when he made the decision to move over. The Pro British BBC commentators did a good job of turning it into a racing incident. I wonder if Hamilton's little sniff at Red Bull is because the team didn't come down hard on Button, which they should have done behind closed doors. Spiritually, Hamilton sees himself as the number 1 at that team.

Pushed him? he was hardly moving the wheel forcibly, he was taking the racing line, probably covering the inside slightly more so but there was no malice towards Lewis in Jensons driving.

And the Redbull talk came up before the race so that isnt the case either.

OK, so he saw Red Bull before the incident, don't worry about that one. But I still think Button shoved him off the road, watch the replay, Lewis moved before Button and Button knew he was there, looking right at him in the mirrors.

[acosmichippo]

OK, so he saw Red Bull before the incident, don't worry about that one. But I still think Button shoved him off the road, watch the replay, Lewis moved before Button and Button knew he was there, looking right at him in the mirrors.

"Lewis moved before Button". No he didn't. That is flat-out wrong.

I've already addressed the mirror issue.

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Its no big deal really. More or less the same as if Webber had gone for a meeting with Domenicali right after the Silverstone episode of last yr, for example. Or the same as if Fernando had gone to the Red Bull motorhome after Abu Dhabi.... but they didnt.

Thing is what makes you think it has anything to do with Monaco? The two examples you made are of a driver who might be pissed with his team.
If the media made a fuss about every driver inta team chat then the silly season would go insane!
How about reserving judgement instead of believing everything the press force feeds you.

Lewis may want to go to RedBull one day but his talk with Horner has nothing to do with his performance in Monaco.

[deMuRe]

OK, so he saw Red Bull before the incident, don't worry about that one. But I still think Button shoved him off the road, watch the replay, Lewis moved before Button and Button knew he was there, looking right at him in the mirrors.

"Lewis moved before Button". No he didn't. That is flat-out wrong.

I've already addressed the mirror issue.

Tsk, don't make me find it, I'm sure Lewis moved before Button.

[acosmichippo]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

[deMuRe]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

OK thanks for that, I did have a good read and yep, the issue has been discussed at some length

[racechick]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

OK thanks for that, I did have a good read and yep, the issue has been discussed at some length

And what's your final decision? I agree with your analysis, it looked like Jenson deliberately squeezed lewis. But I want to be wrong about it. He looked in his mirrors, knew he was there and continued. But he might not have seen him and I hope thats right.....but Jenson isnt stupid..and he knows how Lewis drives.......and he'd already been overtaken once. But I hope im wrong about all that and Jenson is nice

[deMuRe]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

OK thanks for that, I did have a good read and yep, the issue has been discussed at some length

And what's your final decision? I agree with your analysis, it looked like Jenson deliberately squeezed lewis. But I want to be wrong about it. He looked in his mirrors, knew he was there and continued. But he might not have seen him and I hope thats right.....but Jenson isnt stupid..and he knows how Lewis drives.......and he'd already been overtaken once. But I hope im wrong about all that and Jenson is nice

Yeah, it was questionable, when watched for the first time I agree with Martin Brundle's initial television analysis. At first glance, it did look like Button moved intentionally but timed it just right so it would be put down as "a racing incident".

But with all the post race analysis and Martin coming out in his blog and formally stating it was a 50/50 incident, I'm tending to agree it can be put down to a racing incident. I just hope Martin isn't back pedaling for political reasons.

Deep down inside I'm thinking Button is cackling himself to sleep at night. Door to door, it was a good weekend for Jensen, considering his win and his team mate upsetting a few people with aggressive moves.

Personality wise I like Button more then Hamilton, however you cannot deny on a completely dry or completely wet track, Hamilton has Button covered most of the time. Hamilton doesn't need to do anything but calm down and let his driving do the talking.

[racechick]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

OK thanks for that, I did have a good read and yep, the issue has been discussed at some length

And what's your final decision? I agree with your analysis, it looked like Jenson deliberately squeezed lewis. But I want to be wrong about it. He looked in his mirrors, knew he was there and continued. But he might not have seen him and I hope thats right.....but Jenson isnt stupid..and he knows how Lewis drives.......and he'd already been overtaken once. But I hope im wrong about all that and Jenson is nice

Yeah, it was questionable, when watched for the first time I agree with Martin Brundle's initial television analysis. At first glance, it did look like Button moved intentionally but timed it just right so it would be put down as "a racing incident".

But with all the post race analysis and Martin coming out in his blog and formally stating it was a 50/50 incident, I'm tending to agree it can be put down to a racing incident. I just hope Martin isn't back pedaling for political reasons.

Deep down inside I'm thinking Button is cackling himself to sleep at night. Door to door, it was a good weekend for Jensen, considering his win and his team mate upsetting a few people with aggressive moves.

Personality wise I like Button more then Hamilton, however you cannot deny on a completely dry or completely wet track, Hamilton has Button covered most of the time. Hamilton doesn't need to do anything but calm down and let his driving do the talking.

Whoa, this is scary. I find myself agreeing with you (except the bit about lewis needing to calm down). Thing about lewis is he's one dimensional, an Idea pops in his head and whooshh its out of his mouth; and then all hell breaks loose as its taken twenty different ways that lewis never even considered. he just wants to race. Now jens has been round the block a bit more than lewis, when an idea pops into his head its considered before it exits mouth " whats he doing!" is a typical example. Me, i prefer the more naive passionate response.......well in my racing drivers anyway

[acosmichippo]

If you guys get a chance to watch it again, look at Jensons helmet movement in relation to where Lewis's car is. The way I see it, Hamilton made his move to the outside JUST as Jenson redirected his attention to the track.

[deMuRe]

There aren't many good clips on YouTube now, i've tried. They've all been removed. I did specifically address this issue (here) a few days ago accompanied by a pretty conclusive clip, in my opinion. It, like the others, has been removed.

OK thanks for that, I did have a good read and yep, the issue has been discussed at some length

And what's your final decision? I agree with your analysis, it looked like Jenson deliberately squeezed lewis. But I want to be wrong about it. He looked in his mirrors, knew he was there and continued. But he might not have seen him and I hope thats right.....but Jenson isnt stupid..and he knows how Lewis drives.......and he'd already been overtaken once. But I hope im wrong about all that and Jenson is nice

Yeah, it was questionable, when watched for the first time I agree with Martin Brundle's initial television analysis. At first glance, it did look like Button moved intentionally but timed it just right so it would be put down as "a racing incident".

But with all the post race analysis and Martin coming out in his blog and formally stating it was a 50/50 incident, I'm tending to agree it can be put down to a racing incident. I just hope Martin isn't back pedaling for political reasons.

Deep down inside I'm thinking Button is cackling himself to sleep at night. Door to door, it was a good weekend for Jensen, considering his win and his team mate upsetting a few people with aggressive moves.

Personality wise I like Button more then Hamilton, however you cannot deny on a completely dry or completely wet track, Hamilton has Button covered most of the time. Hamilton doesn't need to do anything but calm down and let his driving do the talking.

Whoa, this is scary. I find myself agreeing with you (except the bit about lewis needing to calm down). Thing about lewis is he's one dimensional, an Idea pops in his head and whooshh its out of his mouth; and then all hell breaks loose as its taken twenty different ways that lewis never even considered. he just wants to race. Now jens has been round the block a bit more than lewis, when an idea pops into his head its considered before it exits mouth " whats he doing!" is a typical example. Me, i prefer the more naive passionate response.......well in my racing drivers anyway

Well, Schumacher has left a bit of a void in F1. Do we have a badboy currently? Maybe Hamilton is gunning for that spot

[vaptin]

The biggest argument in Jenson's favour in this case is that he never deviated from the racing line, he acted like he would have if Hamilton wasn't there at all. I'm still surprised the move turned out the way it did, in this case I think Hamilton could've expected his track position to be "acknowledged".

I'll guess we'll never know, but the line at the moment is "Jenson didn't see him", and I guess only Jenson knows if it really was the truth or not. Him shouting "What was he doing", suggests he was genuinely surprised to see Lewis there.