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[elfinitty]

@tex:i agree but we cant deny his talent (unfortunately!!) not everyone in these cars win.

Wow,i wouldnt expect this mistake from Vettel but nobodys perfect.I am so happy for Button's win of course but a bit sorry for Vettel.What about the desicion for McLaren crash?All in all,it was an awesome race after 15 mins of restart,bad thing i chose a wrong time for falling asleep...

[carmonwebber]

How about saying that pressure stories earlier during Barcelona or Monaco?

Vettel withstood intense pressure in Spain, which was probably one of his greatest wins. He got lucky in Monaco with the red flag and tyre changes (but he was great up to then). He buckled today. But hey guys, he's only human!!! He's doing a damn sight better than Webber!

"Buckled" is far too extreme. "Bobbled" is nearer the truth. Buckling is when you collide with your teammate and one of you has to walk back to paddock. This was the first foot Vettel's put wrong during a race so far this season. The only reason he's not come first all seven races is his tyres went away in two.

His tyres didn't go away in this race he was on tyres that were several laps younger than Buttons, he lost because the driver behind drove a far better race and was much more brave on what was a very wet and dangerous track, i don't blame Vettel for going easy he doesn't even have to win every race currently he just needs to finish preferably on the podium so he didn't really need to push.

But the fact is he never did anything special and the cars behind drove a far better race and if it wasn't for the many incidents that caused them to constantly have to fight through the pack Vettel would have quite easily lost that race.

Button went from 21st - 1st in under 30 laps, less than half race distance, i am not sure what exactly some people are seeing that Vettel did that compares to that but some seem to think he deserved to win the race even though he wasn't even in the top 5 drivers of the day.

If you've lead the whole race fairly comfortably from pole and bung it on the final lap....I'd say you deserved the win in my books (unless you played dirty).

Not to dis-credit 'any' of the other feats and drives from the others nor dismiss SV's error, but especially in today's race; i think its easy to forget that he stayed out of trouble because he was upfront all the while....and perhaps wouldn't have been caught if it wasn't for the SCs?

[texasmr2]

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[acosmichippo]

If you've lead the whole race fairly comfortably from pole and bung it on the final lap....I'd say you deserved the win in my books (unless you played dirty).

What's the difference between making a mistake on the last lap and making a mistake on any other lap? If anything, it's surely more impressive to have to drive through through the whole field to win rather than parking yourself out in front.

Jenson was the fastest man today despite incurring a drive-through penalty, making 5 (or was it 6?) pit stops, and others getting unfair tire advantages under the red flag. Now if you want to make the argument that the Safety Cars repeatedly neutralized the lead he had previously built, I'd say that's valid. But them's the breaks.

[Peng]

If you've lead the whole race fairly comfortably from pole and bung it on the final lap....I'd say you deserved the win in my books (unless you played dirty).

Not to dis-credit 'any' of the other feats and drives from the others nor dismiss SV's error, but especially in today's race; i think its easy to forget that he stayed out of trouble because he was upfront all the while....and perhaps wouldn't have been caught if it wasn't for the SCs?

He stayed out of trouble because he never had to defend against anyone until the last 2 laps of the race.

Drivers with clean air rarely if ever make mistakes and that is what Vettel had for 69 of 70 laps of the race so yes ofcourse he was leading comfortably.

There is a big difference between being out in front never being challenged and having to battle it out midfield, Vettel hasn't been in the latter position at all this year which is mainly because he is just so good at qualifying, but sadly for him Qualifying doesn't mean an automatic win or well it shouldn't :p

The only real relevant thing he did in the race was getting away very well at the safety car restarts, something i still think he was breaking the rules with as to me he was clearly over 10 car lengths behind the safety car when he was holding everyone up at the hairpin, but i am not sure if that rule got removed.

[texasmr2]

The only real relevant thing he did in the race was getting away very well at the safety car restarts, something i still think he was breaking the rules with as to me he was clearly over 10 car lengths behind the safety car when he was holding everyone up at the hairpin, but i am not sure if that rule got removed.

Good call.

[carmonwebber]

Ok, as mentioned I'm not trying to take it away from the other drivers, but;

Did SV NOT deserve to win?

Yes he's had it fairly easy etc etc. (see other threads), but I can't agree to the fact that he doesn't deserve to win.

[bud]

End of the day, who ever gets to the chequered flag first deserved to win.

[Hammer278]

Hi all. would just like to say that the comments made by Nikki Lauda regarding Lewis's performances are without foundation.(he will end up killing someone) I have read a copy of the stewards findings detailing the collision between his team mate and they have found that it was a pure racing accident, as was the collision between Button and Alonso. It goes without saying that Hamilton is an exceptional talent, a driver who will take an opportunity to overtake if the circumstaces are right. This sport needs people like him, as we all know the critics knock the sport for being boring. Over the past few seasons we have seen some daring overtakes by various top drivers (some even going round the outside where it was not deemed to be an overtaking place) I personally think that some of the rules have gone too far in protecting the sport but rules are rules . Nikki Lauda should be placing his comments towards the back of the field and some of the rookie drivers and the mobile chicanes they create, and leave the top teams and drivers to race.

I think everyone stopped taking heed to Lauda's comments long ago. That guy is a bit of a nutcase, 99% of what he says is just ignorant bulls**t.

[texasmr2]

Ok, as mentioned I'm not trying to take it away from the other drivers, but;

Did SV NOT deserve to win?

Yes he's had it fairly easy etc etc. (see other threads), but I can't agree to the fact that he doesn't deserve to win.

This is racing not a 'deserve' championship. Your new here and hopefully with ear's more open than mouth. I'm giving you crap simply because... oh please don't let me bring my yr's into the mix as I know my mate's here are tired of hearing it but school is never closed .

[CarBore]

If you've lead the whole race fairly comfortably from pole and bung it on the final lap....I'd say you deserved the win in my books (unless you played dirty).

Not to dis-credit 'any' of the other feats and drives from the others nor dismiss SV's error, but especially in today's race; i think its easy to forget that he stayed out of trouble because he was upfront all the while....and perhaps wouldn't have been caught if it wasn't for the SCs?

He stayed out of trouble because he never had to defend against anyone until the last 2 laps of the race.

Drivers with clean air rarely if ever make mistakes and that is what Vettel had for 69 of 70 laps of the race so yes ofcourse he was leading comfortably.

There is a big difference between being out in front never being challenged and having to battle it out midfield, Vettel hasn't been in the latter position at all this year which is mainly because he is just so good at qualifying, but sadly for him Qualifying doesn't mean an automatic win or well it shouldn't :p

The only real relevant thing he did in the race was getting away very well at the safety car restarts, something i still think he was breaking the rules with as to me he was clearly over 10 car lengths behind the safety car when he was holding everyone up at the hairpin, but i am not sure if that rule got removed.

That rule doesn't apply in the last section where the lead car effectively 'becomes' the safety car.

40.11 When the clerk of the course decides it is safe to call in the safety car the message "SAFETY CAR IN THIS LAP" will be displayed on the timing monitors and the car's orange lights will be extinguished This will be the signal to the teams and drivers that it will be entering the pit lane at the end of that lap.
At this point the first car in line behind the safety car may dictate the pace and, if necessary, fall more than ten car lengths behind it.

[acosmichippo]

Vettel most certainly did NOT deserve to win. He f'd up without any direct influence from any other driver. Doesn't matter if that f-up was on the last lap or not.

[texasmr2]

End of the day, who ever gets to the chequered flag first deserved to win.

Daym straight.

[carmonwebber]

Ok, as mentioned I'm not trying to take it away from the other drivers, but;

Did SV NOT deserve to win?

Yes he's had it fairly easy etc etc. (see other threads), but I can't agree to the fact that he doesn't deserve to win.

This is racing not a 'deserve' championship. Your new here and hopefully with ear's more open than mouth. I'm giving you crap simply because... oh please don't let me bring my yr's into the mix as I know my mate's here are tired of hearing it but school is never closed .

I still stand on my point, but happy to leave it where it is as its probably going on a tangent off-topic anyway.

[Jabberwocky]

Ok, as mentioned I'm not trying to take it away from the other drivers, but;

Did SV NOT deserve to win?

Yes he's had it fairly easy etc etc. (see other threads), but I can't agree to the fact that he doesn't deserve to win.

This is racing not a 'deserve' championship. Your new here and hopefully with ear's more open than mouth. I'm giving you crap simply because... oh please don't let me bring my yr's into the mix as I know my mate's here are tired of hearing it but school is never closed .

Just because someone is new here does not mean that their opinion is less worthy than some one who has been here for ages. As you signature says Tex, and I am sure as an officer of the law you must know that "Constitutional Right of Freedom of Speech" is for everyone, and not just the "select" few. Everyone can voice their opinion as they stay within the forum rules.