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#260576
Vettel was ahead the whole race, messed up one corner and have away the lead. But hey, thats racing!

Great drive by Button considering how much time he spent in the pits and also a great drive by Webber, who said he couldnt overtake?!
#260577
Great race yes. but its fair to say we got robbed a fair few racing laps. there was no need for the SC to be out there that long, The track was almost inter conditions during the 1st and 3rd SC segment, and we got robbed of a normal race start.

These are the best drivers in the world, time to get these F1 drivers out of the cotton wool and bubble wrap that they have them in and just race. The sport is starting to look wussy.
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#260582
I wish I could ask the stewards, why wasn't Button given a drive through for taking Alonso out? Clearly he simply understeered into Alonso and even though there was so much room, he did cause a collision which was "avoidable".

With a lot of the race still to go, it was deemed to be 'investigated after the race.' Why is that?


An in general answer to your questions:-
Protocol as defined in the Sporting Regs deems that all "incidents" are investigated after the race unless the race director is certain there was a breach.

On the incident between Button and Alonso:-
Yeah, it was Button's fault, but, I agree with the officials on this one - and you know I'm Tifoso through-and-through :)
For me, racing as these guys do (and as I want them to do) implies they need to push to the limit, and, that inherently means sometimes you will push a little too far or hard - that's what I call a racing incident. You just got to accept these things will happen, you don't like it when it happens to you, but it happens. As long as its not something really deliberate or stupid. So, for me, yes, Button's mistake, but, that's racing, no penalties should be applied.

On recent similar incidents:-
BTW, I would have put most of the Monaco incidents in that category as well. Lewis shouldn't have been penalized the way he was - yes, the incident with Massa was clearly Lewis's fault, but, again, that's racing - it should have been left at that.


I agree with your post. My jibe is at the terrible inconsistency from the stewards...some people get penalized, and some don't. It would be better if they were consistently harsh on all drivers or consistently letting them RACE.


:yes::yes: To both the above points. Needs sorting if we want more racing like Canada.
#260583
The love between them is not news, but; Is it me, or does Webber keep having slight digs at SV in any post-race conferences they're at together?

In the post-race conference, after Vettel was talking about how he buggered the final lap, Mark proceeded to say that everyone got what they deserved in the race. Without remembering previous examples specifically, I'm pretty sure he's made other pointing towards 'catching Seb', trying to beat 'Seb' etc. etc. Not exactly what a team-mate should be doing....no?!


One of every driver's goals is to beat their teammate. Especially when your teammate has won 5 of 7 races and you're fighting for a contract for next season.
#260584
How about saying that pressure stories earlier during Barcelona or Monaco?


Vettel withstood intense pressure in Spain, which was probably one of his greatest wins. He got lucky in Monaco with the red flag and tyre changes (but he was great up to then). He buckled today. But hey guys, he's only human!!! He's doing a damn sight better than Webber!

"Buckled" is far too extreme. "Bobbled" is nearer the truth. Buckling is when you collide with your teammate and one of you has to walk back to paddock. This was the first foot Vettel's put wrong during a race so far this season. The only reason he's not come first all seven races is his tyres went away in two.
#260586
Great race yes. but its fair to say we got robbed a fair few racing laps. there was no need for the SC to be out there that long, The track was almost inter conditions during the 1st and 3rd SC segment, and we got robbed of a normal race start.

These are the best drivers in the world, time to get these F1 drivers out of the cotton wool and bubble wrap that they have them in and just race. The sport is starting to look wussy.
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Exactly.

If they didn't think it was "safe" to have a normal start then why start under the SC?

The 3rd SC was a joke it should of come in a lot sooner and then people started instantly switching to inters.
#260588
Great race yes. but its fair to say we got robbed a fair few racing laps. there was no need for the SC to be out there that long, The track was almost inter conditions during the 1st and 3rd SC segment, and we got robbed of a normal race start.

These are the best drivers in the world, time to get these F1 drivers out of the cotton wool and bubble wrap that they have them in and just race. The sport is starting to look wussy.
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Exactly.

If they didn't think it was "safe" to have a normal start then why start under the SC?

The 3rd SC was a joke it should of come in a lot sooner and then people started instantly switching to inters.


Safety Safety Safety

I don't disagree with the above, but in today's world, caution takes the cake.

It would have been tricky for the people calling the shots, because they would have had to ensure all the swimming pools were cleared, anticipate the upcoming weather, make a call, announce it and give the show enough time to react. The rain did appear to have stopped, but just before they rolled off under the SC, i think it started to come down a little again? (What was it like there 'What's Burning'?)

Without the X-laps under the SC to help dry up the racing line, there very well may have been more carnage.
#260589
Hi all. :wavey: would just like to say that the comments made by Nikki Lauda regarding Lewis's performances are without foundation.(he will end up killing someone) I have read a copy of the stewards findings detailing the collision between his team mate and they have found that it was a pure racing accident, as was the collision between Button and Alonso. It goes without saying that Hamilton is an exceptional talent, a driver who will take an opportunity to overtake if the circumstaces are right. This sport needs people like him, as we all know the critics knock the sport for being boring. Over the past few seasons we have seen some daring overtakes by various top drivers (some even going round the outside where it was not deemed to be an overtaking place) I personally think that some of the rules have gone too far in protecting the sport but rules are rules :rolleyes: . Nikki Lauda should be placing his comments towards the back of the field and some of the rookie drivers and the mobile chicanes they create, and leave the top teams and drivers to race.
#260590
How about saying that pressure stories earlier during Barcelona or Monaco?


Vettel withstood intense pressure in Spain, which was probably one of his greatest wins. He got lucky in Monaco with the red flag and tyre changes (but he was great up to then). He buckled today. But hey guys, he's only human!!! He's doing a damn sight better than Webber!

"Buckled" is far too extreme. "Bobbled" is nearer the truth. Buckling is when you collide with your teammate and one of you has to walk back to paddock. This was the first foot Vettel's put wrong during a race so far this season. The only reason he's not come first all seven races is his tyres went away in two.


His tyres didn't go away in this race he was on tyres that were several laps younger than Buttons, he lost because the driver behind drove a far better race and was much more brave on what was a very wet and dangerous track, i don't blame Vettel for going easy he doesn't even have to win every race currently he just needs to finish preferably on the podium so he didn't really need to push.

But the fact is he never did anything special and the cars behind drove a far better race and if it wasn't for the many incidents that caused them to constantly have to fight through the pack Vettel would have quite easily lost that race.

Button went from 21st - 1st in under 30 laps, less than half race distance, i am not sure what exactly some people are seeing that Vettel did that compares to that but some seem to think he deserved to win the race even though he wasn't even in the top 5 drivers of the day.
#260591
If Lewis would have made the "mistake" Jenson did (he suddenly blocked lewis while overtaking at high speed, and i'm not "buying" that he didn't see lewis coming), lewis would have been punished severly, or atleast critisized for it.
Jenson got out from it without a word of critisizm, the media (and some fans) can be so hypocrate.

I don't think that jason won "fair and square", especially after the comments made by lewis a couple of weeks ago i have a strong feeling that the F1 are in there to "teach him a lesson" for talking about racial issues!
And personally i won't be surprised if lewis will leave f1 at the end of this season.
Jenson winning was chapter one from that lesson.

Yeah most of you'll want to believe that everything or almost everything in F1 is fair and honest, but it just isn't.
I hope that at the end of this season i will be proven wrong (i will be glad to admit that i was wrong!), cause although i am not a fan of his (or of mclaren), lewis is the most talented driver in f1 and deserves to be at the top, he doesn't deserve to be treated in such a sinister and evil manner.
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#260594
Hope people don't see this as putting Vettel down, far from it, I think he is a very good driver. Having said that, I really can't see that he's had many opportunities to show his racing skills given he's driving a car so much faster than any other car.

In fact, I'm still trying to come to terms with how Jenson beat him so easily in Canada. Basically, Vettel capitulated almost as soon as Jenson got to him.

In China he was passed without giving much of a fight.

In Monaco he gave up a huge lead and was pretty much saved from having to do any defending by the red flag.

Spain is touted as a great race for him, but, honestly I saw that as a very ordinary race for him. He spend two stints stuck behind a car that was a second a lap slower before you count DRS and he couldn't find a way past. Lewis did catch him towards the end of the race, but he never got a sniff at a pass, in fact I don't think he even got any part of his car level with the RB7 - so basically Vettel only had to defend fresh air for the last part of the race. As well, Lewis got the worst of the back markers. Vettel was faster by 2 or 3 tenths basically every lap in sector 2, so Lewis had no chance of even trying to threaten. I think the closest Lewis got was when he saved a double bang of KERS and the DRS - and even then he couldn't draw beside any part of the RB7 by the end of the lap. The RB7 just had too much df and speed out of turn 16. I agree, he didn't make any disastrous mistake a la Canada, but, I would have been very surprised if he did make a mistake defending air.

As I said at the beginning, if that sounds harsh, its not meant to. It's not Vettel's fault that he's driving a car that is just so much faster than anything else.
#260596
Hope people don't see this as putting Vettel down, far from it, I think he is a very good driver. Having said that, I really can't see that he's had many opportunities to show his racing skills given he's driving a car so much faster than any other car.

In fact, I'm still trying to come to terms with how Jenson beat him so easily in Canada. Basically, Vettel capitulated almost as soon as Jenson got to him.

In China he was passed without giving much of a fight.

In Monaco he gave up a huge lead and was pretty much saved from having to do any defending by the red flag.

Spain is touted as a great race for him, but, honestly I saw that as a very ordinary race for him. He spend two stints stuck behind a car that was a second a lap slower before you count DRS and he couldn't find a way past. Lewis did catch him towards the end of the race, but he never got a sniff at a pass, in fact I don't think he even got any part of his car level with the RB7 - so basically Vettel only had to defend fresh air for the last part of the race. As well, Lewis got the worst of the back markers. Vettel was faster by 2 or 3 tenths basically every lap in sector 2, so Lewis had no chance of even trying to threaten. I think the closest Lewis got was when he saved a double bang of KERS and the DRS - and even then he couldn't draw beside any part of the RB7 by the end of the lap. The RB7 just had too much df and speed out of turn 16. I agree, he didn't make any disastrous mistake a la Canada, but, I would have been very surprised if he did make a mistake defending air.

As I said at the beginning, if that sounds harsh, its not meant to. It's not Vettel's fault that he's driving a car that is just so much faster than anything else.


100% agree.

Its not that Vettel is a bad driver he is an amazing driver but he hasn't been as amazing this season as some people keep claiming especially in the last 2 races.
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