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Hey I'm new here so I just thought I would ask "Where is the adult section??".
There's no p*rn here. only racing.
Thank's for proving my point!
I have also seen lots of angles on the replays and in neither case was Hamilton alongside; he had his front wheels just inside Maldonado's rear wheels; It's not easy to pass in Monaco; the only real overtaking places is coming out of the tunnel and going into turn one. Maldonado was ahead and had the right to turn in to the apex; clearly that's the view the steward had!
It made no difference; the penalty is null and void as Hamilton was a lap ahead of everyone else behind, I wonder if there would have been a penalty if Hamilton would have lost an position?
ask for a gp to be scratched on the basis of a mediocre weekend.
Actually LDM does say that every year Ferrari has a bad one at Monaco
Just at Monaco? He says that every time Ferrari have a bad race.
Has anyone seen or got a replay of Schumacher's overtakes of Lewis and Rosberg at the hairpin? I want to see what actually happened there, and how it compares to Lewis's move on Massa.
From memory, I think Rosberg did jump out of Schumacher's way (presumably because they were team mates), and for his pass on Lewis on the first lap, he was already alongside before Lewis started to turn in?
Lewis actually gave him room,that's why their was no contact.
Martin Brundle...
"Having seen further footage not available to me in commentary, I do think that Hamilton was treated harshly in the incident involving Pastor Maldonado, although that penalty didn't affect his sixth place.
He was all over the back of Maldonado's weaving Williams down the pit straight and he should not have been surprised to have Hamilton moving alongside him into the corner. He should have left more space or covered the inside better. I would not have penalised Lewis in this incident.
The earlier contact with Felipe Massa is less clear. Massa did turn into the hairpin very early but could well argue that he was aiming inside the wide Red Bull of Mark Webber who was on his nose.
It's also arguable that Massa was too late in defending Hamilton's move, although again he had been very close behind in the corner before, did unquestionably cause contact and damage, and Paul di Resta had already received a penalty for a similar misdemeanour. I said in commentary before the incident that there must be a 75% chance of contact while passing into that hairpin, and I stand by that"
50-50....
2. Jenson Button in Australia vs. Massa: similar situation to Lewis and Massa. What did jenson do? tried to pass. Made the pass, slightly unclean, but definitely avoided any contact. Got a penalty... for sure never complained he got it due to his girlfriend being japanese or some crap like that. In the same race, Vettel did something awfully similar and yet got no penalty.
Pssst.... Canada is in a couple of days.
Now... you all choose to defend the same guy, for trying to pull the very same kind of forced manouver over and over again. I mean... had this been his first time, no problem. S**t happens, one silly mistake, move along. But look at the episodes in Monza, Singapore, even defending at Sepang (was he any cleaner or forgiving as Massa in Monaco?! which was the more likely cleaner move??); why didnt he give any room then (and why wasnt any room expected?? Wasn't Alonso "racing"????????? Didnt he get a penalty as well, did he claim it was because of the Bull fighting???
There's more examples... but i'm not going to use a war tank to kill a fly. How come Vettel was to blame for an "over eager" move... on a straight... on a track 3x wider ?? wasn't he "racing"??
C'mon. Stop the BS.
Regardless, the precedence was set, the pass was certainly questionable and the penalty issued and served, I'm certainly not contending that incident. 
I said this earlier, Lewis should've anticipated, Massa was ahead so the line was his to choose from. It was kinda unlucky that Massa turning to make the apex and Lewis going up the inside coincided, but Massa had already closed the space (he was almost middle of the road). He was turning into the corner at the time Lewis hit him. Either Lewis couldn't back out of it, or didn't, but I don't think that matters.
What a tiring subject.
Here's 2 examples of "real racing", i'm going to use 2 drivers who race and who "the lot" ussually hammers over their hero:
1. Alonso vs Kubica in Silverstone: when Alonso went into the chicane and Kubica was there... Alonso took the grass, he could have kept on course and forced a collision, claiming he was doing some "real racing". Instead, not only did he get a weird penalty right under a SC, which sent him to last position... what was his response?? for sure, he never said he got his penalty because they do Bullfights in his country.
2. Jenson Button in Australia vs. Massa: similar situation to Lewis and Massa. What did jenson do? tried to pass. Made the pass, slightly unclean, but definitely avoided any contact. Got a penalty... for sure never complained he got it due to his girlfriend being japanese or some crap like that. In the same race, Vettel did something awfully similar and yet got no penalty.
Maybe if someone else did it other than Alonso it would be normal eh? 
Massa hit the corner by 1.5m before the apex, whether this was to cover Lewis or attack Webber only Massa knows.
BTW you're seriously comparing a botched passing attempt on the tightest turn in the sport, to the botched Vettel/Webber pass in Turkey last year?
Regardless of your POV... remember my point yesterday about POV dictating how you'd feel about a situation?
Pssst.... Canada is in a couple of days.
Sheesh ... someone said it.!!!!
Massa hit the corner by 1.5m before the apex, whether this was to cover Lewis or attack Webber only Massa knows.
That's a defensive line all the way. He was trying to block the inside, its pretty common... they turn in earlier...
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