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[myownalias]

[Lewis] ruined two other drivers race because of his impetuous nature, I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; getting his front wing inside the rear wheels of the car in front does not constitute a pass. If another driver did that to him and punted him out of the race he'd be spitting feathers.

But didn't Schumacher do exactly that earlier in the race?

I don't know; if he did I must have missed it; it's nothing personal against Lewis; I have been outspoken about other drivers performing similar actions in the past, I don't mind a fair challenge but coming from that far back and expecting other drivers to make way is unreasonable, Lewis' attitude seems to be that everyone else has to get out of his way because he is better than them!

[sennasational]

[Lewis] ruined two other drivers race because of his impetuous nature, I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; getting his front wing inside the rear wheels of the car in front does not constitute a pass. If another driver did that to him and punted him out of the race he'd be spitting feathers.

But didn't Schumacher do exactly that earlier in the race?

I don't know; if he did I must have missed it; it's nothing personal against Lewis; I have been outspoken about other drivers performing similar actions in the past, I don't mind a fair challenge but coming from that far back and expecting other drivers to make way is unreasonable, Lewis' attitude seems to be that everyone else has to get out of his way because he is better than them!

It doesn't constitute a pass but the responsibility for avoiding an accident shifts to the defender imo. You don't cause a collision by getting you're front wing inside the rear wheels of a car and if you don't aim to get in that position you're never going to overtake anyone. When a driver gets in that position the other driver has to yield at least a bit, at that point there is nothing the attacking driver can do, especially at a track with no run off areas such as Monaco.

It's neither drivers' fault, it's simply racing...and apparently it's not allowed.

[f1ea]

It doesn't constitute a pass but the responsibility for avoiding an accident shifts to the defender imo. You don't cause a collision by getting you're front wing inside the rear wheels of a car and if you don't aim to get in that position you're never going to overtake anyone. When a driver gets in that position the other driver has to yield at least a bit, at that point there is nothing the attacking driver can do, especially at a track with no run off areas such as Monaco.

It's neither drivers' fault, it's simply racing...and apparently it's not allowed.

[sennasational]

It doesn't constitute a pass but the responsibility for avoiding an accident shifts to the defender imo. You don't cause a collision by getting you're front wing inside the rear wheels of a car and if you don't aim to get in that position you're never going to overtake anyone. When a driver gets in that position the other driver has to yield at least a bit, at that point there is nothing the attacking driver can do, especially at a track with no run off areas such as Monaco.

It's neither drivers' fault, it's simply racing...and apparently it's not allowed.

Thanks for the discussion, i've listened to your counter argument an...

...oh wait, this is the internet right? A rude objecting statement will suffice as valid argument. Guess I 'lost' another discussion, way to bring your A-game. EDITED WB

[vlad]

No need to say words like that...

[racechick]

Vlad makes a good point. Even if you disagree vehmently with a posters comments (or lack of in this case) please direct comments at the content not the poster. Thanks

[bud]

Stands for Bull s*** right?

[racechick]

Stands for Bull s*** right?

I believe it does.

[racechick]

And speaking of black - that comment was just not on, not even in James Hunt's era would it have been on...

You reckon? Here are a few James Hunt comments.

"the problem with Jarrier is that he is a French prat, always has been, always will be"

" McLaren did a spectacularly sloppy job in Spain. they didn't even bother to check the car after the race"

" Oi, Depallier, where did you get your superlicence? Out of a crisp packet?"

" I wouldn't worry about your face Niki, you were ugly before" (To Lauda, this was done as a joke, in the same vein as lewis' comments)

"Very stupid driving from mansell there"

"Well of course thats bullsh**t" On live tv when commentating and regarding Arnoux's excuse for being slow

"Piquet has no motivation whatsoever. he's only in F1 to keep his 45meter yacht afloat and his helicopter in petrol"

"Andrea De cesaris should relly be called De Crasheris. he's smashed up so many cars in teting. he's an embarrasment to himself. his team and the sport, and maybe he should retire"

Not saying i agree with these comments but they somewhat put lewis' in perspective. And there are plenty more of them. As I said, Lewis is in the wrong era, he should have been with the real racers not the corporate follow my leader drivers.

[racechick]

[Lewis] ruined two other drivers race because of his impetuous nature, I've said it before in this thread and I'll say it again; getting his front wing inside the rear wheels of the car in front does not constitute a pass. If another driver did that to him and punted him out of the race he'd be spitting feathers.

But didn't Schumacher do exactly that earlier in the race?

I don't know; if he did I must have missed it; it's nothing personal against Lewis; I have been outspoken about other drivers performing similar actions in the past, I don't mind a fair challenge but coming from that far back and expecting other drivers to make way is unreasonable, Lewis' attitude seems to be that everyone else has to get out of his way because he is better than them!

It doesn't constitute a pass but the responsibility for avoiding an accident shifts to the defender imo. You don't cause a collision by getting you're front wing inside the rear wheels of a car and if you don't aim to get in that position you're never going to overtake anyone. When a driver gets in that position the other driver has to yield at least a bit, at that point there is nothing the attacking driver can do, especially at a track with no run off areas such as Monaco.

It's neither drivers' fault, it's simply racing...and apparently it's not allowed.

I agree with you. There is no incentive these days to make an overtaking move. The driver infront has options if a car behind is clearly quicker. He can drive faster. He can give room when an overtake is being executed or he can stay where he is/turn in. If the latter path is chosen then he has to take some responsibility for any crash. You cannot keep blaming the guy who tries to make a move. This is motor racing not formation driving.

[nish2280]

I dont see why people are saying his comments should not have been said. Yes, if you are his PR manager then you have reason to be concerned.

For a fan it should just show that he is a bit of a EDITED WB (if you thought what he said was rude or mean)

[f1ea]

It doesn't constitute a pass but the responsibility for avoiding an accident shifts to the defender imo. You don't cause a collision by getting you're front wing inside the rear wheels of a car and if you don't aim to get in that position you're never going to overtake anyone. When a driver gets in that position the other driver has to yield at least a bit, at that point there is nothing the attacking driver can do, especially at a track with no run off areas such as Monaco.

It's neither drivers' fault, it's simply racing...and apparently it's not allowed.

Thanks for the discussion, i've listened to your counter argument an...

...oh wait, this is the internet right? A rude objecting statement will suffice as valid argument. Guess I 'lost' another discussion, way to bring your A-game EDITED WB.

LOL Calm down. Just because you lost a discussion doesn't mean you have to go calling people names

a very similar case was brought up in Turkey when Vettel and Webber hit. The general opinion was that Webber should not have yielded because it was Vettel who initiated the move, and it was all Vettel's fault.

for some reason... this time around its different. Despite the overtaker being on a MUCH more ambitious and unlikely manouver: Vettel and Webber were on a straight on a huge wide track!! with Vettel being clearly faster and them being teammates (see how Chu managed to get past Nico in the same turn?)

The Massa move was a racing incident indeed. One that would go unpunished in any other track, but around Monaco it usually gets punished. Even it Lewis had broken his nose and unhurt Massa, that was going to get punshied unless Massa significantly yielded. The only one who could have pulled that move on him was Alonso

The Maldonado move was just a stop-go waiting to happen.

Racing incidents. But above all, silly mistakes to make in Monaco resulting from over-eagerness. It happens.

Stands for Bull s*** right?

ooops, i thought it meant Boring Sobbing....... hehe

[Hammer278]

He didn't lose the argument, you didn't even have one did you?

The point is if the narrow track as you say, does not constitute a good place to have chances to overtake, they might as well scrap this sh*t of the calendar. This is motor racing, not a freakin' parade. If the stewards aren't prepared to see some harder racing and more collisions (which DOES happen in open wheel racing), then they should just scrap this location.

But no its the 'crown jewel' of F1, so what does this mean, we see cars going round and round following each other? Then why not hand out the bloody points after qualifying is over? What should be done is to see this track as a high attrition race track due to the proximity of the cars with walls, and just suck it up and go racing.

[What's Burning?]

The Maldonado move was just a stop-go waiting to happen.

That's what I love about the sport, such a difference of opinion, funny that Williams disagrees with your assessment of that move.

[bud]

Stop go? Drive through at most.