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[texasmr2]

Ok stop the press, Lewis actually said "It's because I'm black?!?!?!?"

[f1boy]

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[FRAFPDD]

Thing is f1ea, vlad bill.



Youve all said hes overrated on the basis, that the opinion of the fanboys is that of everyone. Thats your mistake.


If its not? Well then general opinion is that Hamilton is rated as the top two, top three drivers. Is that overrated, thats his "rate" by most people.

Exactly. There are but a handful of people in the world let alone this forum that think hes the best driver ever. And youve decided to listen to them and jugde his under/overrated status on something he cant be actually be underrated for.

If all three of you, maybe theres more but its you three that i can remember what youve said( he is overrated) im telling you you look like idiots, because your denying the GENERAL OPINION ON WHCIH YOU SHOULD BE USING, that Hamilton is one of the top drivers in f1 and very talented. You realise that right? By saying hes overrated your denying that, THAT it what sounds stupid. You dont think hes the best ever? Great neither do most of us, but you essentailyl saying you think that you dont believe hes one of the best in F1, when that is a total non-issue, he clearly is.




Not to mention the biggest point, all three of you havent bothered to explain what it is that makes him overrated, just that he is.....

[billindenver]

Thing is f1ea, vlad bill.



Youve all said hes overrated on the basis, that the opinion of the fanboys is that of everyone. Thats your mistake.


If its not? Well then general opinion is that Hamilton is rated as the top two, top three drivers. Is that overrated, thats his "rate" by most people.

Exactly. There are but a handful of people in the world let alone this forum that think hes the best driver ever. And youve decided to listen to them and jugde his under/overrated status on something he cant be actually be underrated for.

If all three of you, maybe theres more but its you three that i can remember what youve said( he is overrated) im telling you you look like idiots, because your denying the GENERAL OPINION ON WHCIH YOU SHOULD BE USING, that Hamilton is one of the top drivers in f1 and very talented. You realise that right? By saying hes overrated your denying that, THAT it what sounds stupid. You dont think hes the best ever? Great neither do most of us, but you essentailyl saying you think that you dont believe hes one of the best in F1, when that is a total non-issue, he clearly is.

Not to mention the biggest point, all three of you havent bothered to explain what it is that makes him overrated, just that he is.....

I've explained it several times actually. You are simply too emotional to read past the first sentence of my post and immediately start crafting your response. So, I'll make it easy for you...dumb it down so to speak.

Lewis is over rated because his mistakes that have cost his team championships outnumber the single championship he barely won. He has never had a dominating season. He has never strung a series of excellent drives together. He has flashes of brilliance and I mean brilliance but unfortunately he can not sustain that level of performance and the ability to do so is what makes a great driver in my mind. He is good....not great. Too many mistakes.

Oh and WB, a Hamilton fanboy is one who can't let a single, even very slight criticism of him go by without fashioning an emotional response....and you are certainly in that category.

[FRAFPDD]

So, I am not objective because I think he's overrated?? hmmm that's strange. How come you're not objective to think he is the best when he's made all the bonehead mistakes he's made??????

Its your choice of people you chose to base being overrated on. The biggest fans of Hamilton. You chose it on purpose, in order to say hes overrated. If i took AKR'S opinion that Hamilton is crap, would he be underrated to you? Thats the big question. Again, its who's opinion you chose to relate to overratedness.

Overrated-ness comes from his fans and himself proclaiming he is the best, and comparable to Senna. So, in the context of him being the best, and comparable to Senna... YES HAMILTON IS OVERRATED.

Fine, but id like to see your evidence for his self-proclamation of the best. BTW its "I think" before you state your belief. Unless what your saying is god given truth.

Who i think would beat him throughout a season:
1. Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, possibly Nico rosberg, possibly Button.

This wouldnt be an issue with me at all, IF, you actually had some sort of past statistics to form it on, its just wishful thinking. Button is being beaten and has been beaten, Alonso was beaten, no sorry you lot dont like that, Hamilton finished ahead on the standings on countback. Hamilton is the only driver in F1 that hasnt been beaten IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP STANDINGS , by a teammate, and yet half the grid would beat him in your opinion, this is the reply im most looking forward to.

Now hold your panties... you're going to say he beat Alonso. No he didnt. They had equal points, Alonso threw away a podium because of the episode in Hungary, and Ron Dennis admitted Mclaren were racing Alonso.

Is that.....an excuse for ALonso. Well thats not fair........

Vettel and Nico do not and have not raced against him. who cares...

Not me.

i can say Vettel is definitely better than Hamilton because he has shown 10x the ability to: 1) focus on more things than simply the car ahead, 2) concentrate and ignore BS, 4) not go to the media and rant about BS, 5) Not having to lie to the stewards for things top drivers shouldnt be doing, 6) drive fast as bloody hell, 7) taking his penalties without worrying if people hate him and most importantly: 8.) LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES.
<edit> ... And finally: 3)

You can THINK Vettel is definitely better than Hamilton. What your actually saying is by law/definition/truth false. Because you made a statement that cant be proven. You THINK Vettel is definitely better. Try to throw that word in there sometimes. You might believe what your opinion is stronger then any other opinion but it doesnt make yours fact. Nor mine.

All these guys are fast, but there are some other things that separate the fast from the great. And Hamilton has not shown these.

Hes faster, better at overtaking, better at defending..... thats something isnt it?

But you guys loooooove to focus on the teammate thing, simply because he matched Alonso in his best season... but really, Massa beat Kimi terribly. And do you seriously think massa is better?? :rofl

You said earlier Hamilton did not beat Alonso, and now your implying the fact he did means nothing. Make your mind up.

Like I've always said: Great drivers should stand on their own. Until then, he's a 2nd rater. But you guys, and himself think he isnt... so he's overrated

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Dont understand whats being said here

[vlad]

I already told you, don't talk to me and don't mention me. Get a life!

Thing is f1ea, vlad bill.



Youve all said hes overrated on the basis, that the opinion of the fanboys is that of everyone. Thats your mistake.


If its not? Well then general opinion is that Hamilton is rated as the top two, top three drivers. Is that overrated, thats his "rate" by most people.

Exactly. There are but a handful of people in the world let alone this forum that think hes the best driver ever. And youve decided to listen to them and jugde his under/overrated status on something he cant be actually be underrated for.

If all three of you, maybe theres more but its you three that i can remember what youve said( he is overrated) im telling you you look like idiots, because your denying the GENERAL OPINION ON WHCIH YOU SHOULD BE USING, that Hamilton is one of the top drivers in f1 and very talented. You realise that right? By saying hes overrated your denying that, THAT it what sounds stupid. You dont think hes the best ever? Great neither do most of us, but you essentailyl saying you think that you dont believe hes one of the best in F1, when that is a total non-issue, he clearly is.

Not to mention the biggest point, all three of you havent bothered to explain what it is that makes him overrated, just that he is.....

I've explained it several times actually. You are simply too emotional to read past the first sentence of my post and immediately start crafting your response. So, I'll make it easy for you...dumb it down so to speak.

Lewis is over rated because his mistakes that have cost his team championships outnumber the single championship he barely won. He has never had a dominating season. He has never strung a series of excellent drives together. He has flashes of brilliance and I mean brilliance but unfortunately he can not sustain that level of performance and the ability to do so is what makes a great driver in my mind. He is good....not great. Too many mistakes.

Oh and WB, a Hamilton fanboy is one who can't let a single, even very slight criticism of him go by without fashioning an emotional response....and you are certainly in that category.

[texasmr2]

What was this topic about???

[FRAFPDD]

I already told you, don't talk to me and don't mention me. Get a life!

Dont reply then?

Genius.

[vlad]

[FRAFPDD]

What was this topic about???

Hopefully it was about to get locked.

[LewEngBridewell]

[Hammer278]

Thing is f1ea, vlad bill.



Youve all said hes overrated on the basis, that the opinion of the fanboys is that of everyone. Thats your mistake.


If its not? Well then general opinion is that Hamilton is rated as the top two, top three drivers. Is that overrated, thats his "rate" by most people.

Exactly. There are but a handful of people in the world let alone this forum that think hes the best driver ever. And youve decided to listen to them and jugde his under/overrated status on something he cant be actually be underrated for.

If all three of you, maybe theres more but its you three that i can remember what youve said( he is overrated) im telling you you look like idiots, because your denying the GENERAL OPINION ON WHCIH YOU SHOULD BE USING, that Hamilton is one of the top drivers in f1 and very talented. You realise that right? By saying hes overrated your denying that, THAT it what sounds stupid. You dont think hes the best ever? Great neither do most of us, but you essentailyl saying you think that you dont believe hes one of the best in F1, when that is a total non-issue, he clearly is.

Not to mention the biggest point, all three of you havent bothered to explain what it is that makes him overrated, just that he is.....

I've explained it several times actually. You are simply too emotional to read past the first sentence of my post and immediately start crafting your response. So, I'll make it easy for you...dumb it down so to speak.

Lewis is over rated because his mistakes that have cost his team championships outnumber the single championship he barely won. He has never had a dominating season. He has never strung a series of excellent drives together. He has flashes of brilliance and I mean brilliance but unfortunately he can not sustain that level of performance and the ability to do so is what makes a great driver in my mind. He is good....not great. Too many mistakes.

Oh and WB, a Hamilton fanboy is one who can't let a single, even very slight criticism of him go by without fashioning an emotional response....and you are certainly in that category.

Hello bill. Let me try and open your eyes. And I'm not even being sarcastic here.

From your 2nd paragraph, I understand your perspective. Really. But, if you think back on Lewis' mediocre career so far, how many times has McLaren been able to challenge for Championships? 2007, 2008, 2010? Correct? I hope you agree up till this point.

From these 3 years, Lewis lost the WDC by 1 point...in his rookie season. Yes, you could say he 'threw' away the WDC that year. How about looking at the 'facts' in more detail? McLaren had owned up to their mistake in leaving him out too long in China which ultimately led to him 'throwing' the race away on a punctured tyre in the wet. Accidents happen correct? Just ask Alonso, the guy who jumpstarted, cut chicanes, earned drive thru's in 2010 and managed to lose the WDC by a few points. YET, he didn't throw away the WDC in your perspective. No matter.

2008 - Champion. Even though he's succeeded in making the ultimate trophy, you call it 'barely'. Again, facts please. He never had the best car, more of an equal car in his 2nd season of F1 racing. Does this come across as 'slightly' impressive to you? Or not at all?

2010 - You say he again 'THREW' away the Championship. Isn't this plain sad...when he made 2 errors in the entire year, yes I'll include Singapore as COMPLETELY his mistake so that smile stays on your face. You pick on these mistakes to support your ridiculous point over and over again. Why didn't Webber throw it in Australia? Or in Korea? Why didn't Alonso throw it in Silverstone? Or Shanghai with the jumpstart? Could you answer these basic questions?

2011 - Lewis is the closest challenger to Vettel who's awarded a spaceship by his team. Yet, again, overrated...even though Lewis is beating all the rest, and even his MESS UP of a Monaco GP, is STILL leading the rest. Where's the justification here Billy?

I'm sure you're more than aware that many Hamilton fans on this forum can accept his faults, he definitely has more than 1 (his beard is a surefire fault) and really, no one here glorifies the guy in the way of The Ram, or AKR for Ferrari. Fraffpod BASHES the guy almost every weekend , I've openly stated his 'black' comment was uncalled for, and after Monaco qualifying, if you saw my posts straight after, I had criticised him for losing to a teammate like Button. It's embarassing for Lewis, a guy who could take the challenge to drivers like Alonso being outqualified by Jenson, it stings everytime it happens. But it does...since Lewis - isn't - perfect!

It would be great if you could lay down your 'reasoning' equally for all drivers. Lewis is by no means overrated from general perspective, he's not the only one who's thrown chances away, and yes, he is a special talent amongst a few special talents on the grid today. Putting his personality aside, would you agree that he's a top 3 driver on the grid - today?

[phil12321]

How can Hamilton be overrated when he is the only one so far to win a race (besides vettel) and beat vettel??? How can Hamilton be overrated when McLaren pays him $20+ Million a year to drive??? (btw shumacer gets $38 mil a year and hasnt shown s*** but slowing up Hamilton in Qualy and holding up a seat for a better up and coming driver like Kob or Di R) How can Hamilton be overrated when he has one of the most beautiful woman in the world by his side??? lol... How can Hamilton be overrated when 90% of the paddock agrees that Hamilton has the right stuff to beat vettel??? And Most Importantly How can Hamilton be overrated when he has won a WDC... and not to mention came within a point of winning it his rookie season??? lets get to the facts people... Many of you Hamilton haters dislike his personality.... How can you dislike a man whom you've never met or spoken too... or better yet accomplish the things that he has.... Yes I am a Hamilton Fan but I am not biased. To be successful in F1 it takes a cocky arrogant SOB that believes he is the best thing to ever sit in a racing machine because if he doesn't believe it then the team wont believe it and guess what??? YOU wont believe it so get off Hamilton NUTS and give the man some props!!!

[f1boy]

How can Hamilton be overrated when he is the only one so far to win a race (besides vettel) and beat vettel???

Thats a very good point. Let's take a look at Webber in the other Red Bull. He isn't even close to Lewis in a better car and Seb is winning because he's starting at the front IMO. Lets see him win from 5th or 6th.

Lewis should be getting better from McLaren IMO. At Monaco they looked like amatures.

[McLaren]

How anyone can say lewis is over rated is beyond logical thinking in my mind.

He has proven over the last 18 months hes gets more points than Button,also a world champion.
beat Alonso as a teammate,a double world champion(as good as there is on the grid?).
For most people that in itself would be enough proof the boy isn't bad.Yes he makes mistakes doesn't everyone ,last weekend he was bad,we all have our off days).\
I hate to compare him to Ayrton ,but again something simular was said about him at the time of the early 90's.Then respect for his genius grew and grew.It done so with him talking on the track,in time Lewis will do the same and win over all the doubters,of that i have no doubt.
Until he does so there will always be doubters for sure.

On the titles front,yes I think he will win more,but its possible he could prove to be a great in a slower car that doesn't win titles.