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[geetface9]

F everybody on the grid except webber



U MAD BRO

[texasmr2]

Your reputation precedes you billindenver. While others have said the same thing you're saying, you're the first to begin throwing stones at the points of views of others and no one would find that surprising. Let's agree to strongly disagree, and continue to make posts on this thread that are free from chastising others who's opinions you don't like.

McLaren disagrees with you.

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Bill get's BS for speaking his mind just a I did from those with no concept of reality (much less any REAL racing experience) or from those who's ego is so delicate they start crying wolf!!

[vlad]

Hamitlon is a great driver! Is he over-rated? Yes! He is not the only great driver out there! I think he was better in his first 2 years than now. He seems so nervous on the track... And you can feel his frustration, it's obvious.

Will he get another WDC? Hmmmm... tough one. I will say Yes, but maybe in 2 or 3 years. Why "maybe"? Well, if he keeps doing it like this, we'll have another Takuma Sato.

[scotty]

So it was nice for a few pages, but once again we have a situation where a small group of people feel the need to start the personal mudslinging and snide comments to either get their point across or 'defend' themselves, etc etc. It can either stop, or the thread can be locked, or action can be taken against the offending posters. And i don't want to see this thread locked cause it's not fair on those who aren't causing trouble.

Ok? Any problems with that then by all means pm me.

[CarBore]

And let me play along with (if) he is over rated.............where does that leave Jenson Button who can not beat Lewis in a straight up fight???

The difference is that no-one ever really rates Jenson Button do they? I've heard everything from "he's just plain slow" to "he's not a worthy world champion" on this forum.

I understand what you are saying WB but what I consider to be a great driver is someone who is aggressive (for example Jenson's drive in Brazil 2009) when needed but calm and collected at other times, picking and choosing where to attack; for Lewis it's basically all or nothing which can be a plus on some circuits and a big negative on others.

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Vettel were much more philosophical and calm about it and didn't let it affect them to the same degree that Hamilton does when things go wrong.

Like when he crashed Webbber and blamed him? Or when he crashed Button? What about the drive through where he was throwing his hand out all pissy because he didn't know the safety car rules?
Short selective memory?

Yes those were bad but he went to his team first and didn't just go bad mouthing to the press

Plus you conveniently cut the rest of my quote highlighting that Lewis seems unwilling to change in this respect. I fully expect young drivers thrown into championship cars to become mentally affected. It just seems to me that Lewis' development has stunted in this area were say Vettel appears to be maturing.

If you are going to critise my point atleat keep it there in it entirety rather than 1 sentence with no context thanks

[Peng]

You know i noticed something Bill you have a very similar personality to Hamilton.

[darwin dali]

Well, if he keeps doing it like this, we'll have another Takuma Sato.

A bit harsh

[f1ea]

Hamilton is overrated.

Many people, including himself, think he is the best there is. When he simply and obviously isn't. Surely could win some more championships, he's quite young; but today, Hamilton is neither a leader nor a team player.

So mind you,who do you think can beat Lewis in the same car throughout a season?

Your wasting your time. Not specifically with f1ea, but anyone thats going to say he "OBVIOUSLY isnt the best" " hes overrated"

What the actual does he have to do, for people to acknowledge his talent.His outstanding talent.

So, I am not objective because I think he's overrated?? hmmm that's strange. How come you're not objective to think he is the best when he's made all the bonehead mistakes he's made??????

Overrated-ness comes from his fans and himself proclaiming he is the best, and comparable to Senna. So, in the context of him being the best, and comparable to Senna... YES HAMILTON IS OVERRATED.

Who i think would beat him throughout a season:
1. Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, possibly Nico rosberg, possibly Button.

Now hold your panties... you're going to say he beat Alonso. No he didnt. They had equal points, Alonso threw away a podium because of the episode in Hungary, and Ron Dennis admitted Mclaren were racing Alonso.

Vettel and Nico do not and have not raced against him. who cares...

i can say Vettel is definitely better than Hamilton because he has shown 10x the ability to: 1) focus on more things than simply the car ahead, 2) concentrate and ignore BS, 4) not go to the media and rant about BS, 5) Not having to lie to the stewards for things top drivers shouldnt be doing, 6) drive fast as bloody hell, 7) taking his penalties without worrying if people hate him and most importantly: 8.) LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES.
<edit> ... And finally: 3)

All these guys are fast, but there are some other things that separate the fast from the great. And Hamilton has not shown these.

But you guys loooooove to focus on the teammate thing, simply because he matched Alonso in his best season... but really, Massa beat Kimi terribly. And do you seriously think massa is better??

Like I've always said: Great drivers should stand on their own. Until then, he's a 2nd rater. But you guys, and himself think he isnt... so he's overrated.

[darwin dali]

Where is 3) ????

[billindenver]

Hamilton is overrated.

Many people, including himself, think he is the best there is. When he simply and obviously isn't. Surely could win some more championships, he's quite young; but today, Hamilton is neither a leader nor a team player.

So mind you,who do you think can beat Lewis in the same car throughout a season?

Your wasting your time. Not specifically with f1ea, but anyone thats going to say he "OBVIOUSLY isnt the best" " hes overrated"

What the actual does he have to do, for people to acknowledge his talent.His outstanding talent.

So, I am not objective because I think he's overrated?? hmmm that's strange. How come you're not objective to think he is the best when he's made all the bonehead mistakes he's made??????

Overrated-ness comes from his fans and himself proclaiming he is the best, and comparable to Senna. So, in the context of him being the best, and comparable to Senna... YES HAMILTON IS OVERRATED.

Who i think would beat him throughout a season:
1. Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, possibly Nico rosberg, possibly Button.

Now hold your panties... you're going to say he beat Alonso. No he didnt. They had equal points, Alonso threw away a podium because of the episode in Hungary, and Ron Dennis admitted Mclaren were racing Alonso.

Vettel and Nico do not and have not raced against him. who cares...

i can say Vettel is definitely better than Hamilton because he has shown 10x the ability to: 1) focus on more things than simply the car ahead, 2) concentrate and ignore BS, 4) not go to the media and rant about BS, 5) Not having to lie to the stewards for things top drivers shouldnt be doing, 6) drive fast as bloody hell, 7) taking his penalties without worrying if people hate him and most importantly: LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES.

All these guys are fast, but there are some other things that separate the fast from the great. And Hamilton has not shown these.

But you guys loooooove to focus on the teammate thing, simply because he matched Alonso in his best season... but really, Massa beat Kimi terribly. And do you seriously think massa is better??

Like I've always said: Great drivers should stand on their own. Until then, he's a 2nd rater. But you guys, and himself think he isnt... so he's overrated.

That was....

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[Hammer278]

Hamilton is overrated.

Many people, including himself, think he is the best there is. When he simply and obviously isn't. Surely could win some more championships, he's quite young; but today, Hamilton is neither a leader nor a team player.

So mind you,who do you think can beat Lewis in the same car throughout a season?

Your wasting your time. Not specifically with f1ea, but anyone thats going to say he "OBVIOUSLY isnt the best" " hes overrated"

What the actual does he have to do, for people to acknowledge his talent.His outstanding talent.

So, I am not objective because I think he's overrated?? hmmm that's strange. How come you're not objective to think he is the best when he's made all the bonehead mistakes he's made??????

Overrated-ness comes from his fans and himself proclaiming he is the best, and comparable to Senna. So, in the context of him being the best, and comparable to Senna... YES HAMILTON IS OVERRATED.

Who i think would beat him throughout a season:
1. Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, possibly Nico rosberg, possibly Button.

Now hold your panties... you're going to say he beat Alonso. No he didnt. They had equal points, Alonso threw away a podium because of the episode in Hungary, and Ron Dennis admitted Mclaren were racing Alonso.

Vettel and Nico do not and have not raced against him. who cares...

i can say Vettel is definitely better than Hamilton because he has shown 10x the ability to: 1) focus on more things than simply the car ahead, 2) concentrate and ignore BS, 4) not go to the media and rant about BS, 5) Not having to lie to the stewards for things top drivers shouldnt be doing, 6) drive fast as bloody hell, 7) taking his penalties without worrying if people hate him and most importantly: LEARN FROM HIS MISTAKES.

All these guys are fast, but there are some other things that separate the fast from the great. And Hamilton has not shown these.

But you guys loooooove to focus on the teammate thing, simply because he matched Alonso in his best season... but really, Massa beat Kimi terribly. And do you seriously think massa is better??

Like I've always said: Great drivers should stand on their own. Until then, he's a 2nd rater. But you guys, and himself think he isnt... so he's overrated.

Too bad for Ferrari then....their lead driver is the guy Hamilton (the 2nd rater) beat in his rookie season in F1. Makes Alonso look pretty **** if you ask me. I dislike the guy but even I give more credit than that...Alonso is a great driver. He was as quick as Lewis during Lewis' learning season which was pretty impressive.

[vlad]

Quite a post, I must say.

[f1ea]

Where is 3) ????

oh what you talkin' 'bout.... 3 goes after 8!

[Big Azza]

That was such a lovely 5 pages there, and a good example of how we can be opinionated, yet civilized on a forum.

A few of you provided examples of Hamilton's talent. For me the most outstanding one has to be out-braking Massa in the tunnel. Many have referenced his battles with Raikkonen, Alonso and co. And many have also provided valid opinions on how he can improve as a driver, and his media personality. Unfortunately, his personality will always be judged. And a good personality is a minor attribute in the make up of a fantastic Formula One driver. It is still important - as your personality can affect sponsorship deals and interest from other teams.

E.g. Sutil's performance in Monaco last weekend was good. However, we know from the events leading up to it, that his having a few issues outside of F1. While not directly affecting his ability as an F1 driver, it could affect his ability to attract some sponsors. Remember, part of being a good athlete is being a good role model for kids to look up to.

With your valuable opinions, I am now able to put my opinion of Hamilton in words. As someone put it: if you combined Hamilton's ability to be agressive and make ballsy overtakes with Button's ability to make calculated decisions and strategy calls you will get the best driver on the grid. That in my opinion, is what Hamilton is lacking at the moment in being a great driver. He can be too busy looking at the situation happening in front of him, that he gets caught up in emotions.

That is where Hamilton is separated from Alonso in class in my opinion. Perhaps his levelheadedness will come with experience.

But I'm also going to go against the trend and say that levelheadedness is something that Vettel has, in my opinion, and when combined with his raw speed and driving style, makes him more of a complete driver than Hamilton. That is only something that Vettel learned the hard way after his coming together with Button last year. Straight after that, Vettel instantly became a different driver, and was able to finish the season strongly. You have to know when a move is on, and when it is NOT on.

Sorry to continue raving on about Vettel, but in Monaco he took advantage of a situation with a level head and was able to translate that into a win. I want to see Hamilton do a bit more of the same as well. Once Hamilton gets this, he will be unstoppable, as he already has the raw speed and gutsy overtaking ability. Of course they are all limited by their cars as well.

[F1er]

Hamilton is overrated.

Many people, including himself, think he is the best there is. When he simply and obviously isn't. Surely could win some more championships, he's quite young; but today, Hamilton is neither a leader nor a team player.

So mind you,who do you think can beat Lewis in the same car throughout a season?

Your wasting your time. Not specifically with f1ea, but anyone thats going to say he "OBVIOUSLY isnt the best" " hes overrated"

What the actual does he have to do, for people to acknowledge his talent.His outstanding talent.

So, I am not objective because I think he's overrated?? hmmm that's strange. How come you're not objective to think he is the best when he's made all the bonehead mistakes he's made??????

Overrated-ness comes from his fans and himself proclaiming he is the best, and comparable to Senna. So, in the context of him being the best, and comparable to Senna... YES HAMILTON IS OVERRATED.

Who i think would beat him throughout a season:
1. Alonso, Vettel, Kubica, possibly Nico rosberg, possibly Button.

http://www.formula1.com/results/

Points
1 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Ferrari 110
2 Lewis Hamilton British McLaren-Mercedes 109
Ifs and buts dont work in F1

4 Lewis Hamilton British McLaren-Mercedes 240
5 Jenson Button British McLaren-Mercedes 214