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[phil12321]

Well he may have a point there. Obviously if you are going slower than the rest of the field, logic says your tyre degradation should be less than the rest of field. no?

Logic alone would fail you since the car could be slower simply because it's loose and therefore harsher on tired. Speed alone is not an indicator of tire efficiency. Drift cars don't go very fast but a really harsh on tires. A car that is gentler on tires does so because it's more balanced and does not put too much pressure on one corner or on the front versus the rear. When tires go they tend to either go in a corner of front or rear, being gentle on tires is when they all degrade at the same rate.

Drift Cars wouldnt be a good example to use being that they use the stickiest compound they can muster and literally concentrate on beating the s*** out of them in detailed form... IMO but I get the point....

[stonemonkey]

There's still around 300 points for the taking, with Seb having a 60 point lead. It does seem quite large doesn't it

325 points left actually, Vettel needs only to score 92 more from those 325 left in order to clinch this year's WDC. Given this year he's gotten 143 out of the first 150 available, it's looking very grim or very bright depending on your POV.

That doesn't sound right, say vettel wins the next 4 races and picks up 100 points, Hamilton is 2nd in each race and picks up 72 points then it'd be vet=243 ham=157 with still 9 races x 25pts = 225 pts up for grabs

[CarBore]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

[sennasational]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

[darwin dali]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

They're still posting the fastest lap of the race though towards the end of a GP. Me thinks it's got more to do with fuel load and tire performance.

[What's Burning?]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

They're still posting the fastest lap of the race though towards the end of a GP. Me thinks it's got more to do with fuel load and tire performance.

Most of the fastest laps are actually happening around the 3/4 mark of the race or when the last good set of options are put on and the car is lighter. In Monaco the fastest lap was done by Webber on the last lap simply because everyone got fresh rubber at the end of the race but that's not been the norm this year.

[darwin dali]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

They're still posting the fastest lap of the race though towards the end of a GP. Me thinks it's got more to do with fuel load and tire performance.

Most of the fastest laps are actually happening around the 3/4 mark of the race or when the last good set of options are put on and the car is lighter. In Monaco the fastest lap was done by Webber on the last lap simply because everyone got fresh rubber at the end of the race but that's not been the norm this year.

Hence my suggestion that it's more about fuel load and tire performance which makes RB less competitive in race trim compared to quali.

[What's Burning?]

There's still around 300 points for the taking, with Seb having a 60 point lead. It does seem quite large doesn't it

325 points left actually, Vettel needs only to score 92 more from those 325 left in order to clinch this year's WDC. Given this year he's gotten 143 out of the first 150 available, it's looking very grim or very bright depending on your POV.

That doesn't sound right, say vettel wins the next 4 races and picks up 100 points, Hamilton is 2nd in each race and picks up 72 points then it'd be vet=243 ham=157 with still 9 races x 25pts = 225 pts up for grabs

The maximum score you can get for coming in first every GP is 475. so winning half of the GPs means you'd get 238 points. Is sounds wrong because it is. I wasn't taking into account the other places just the maximum score and the fact that I'm not discounting Vettel from scoring other points besides first.

[What's Burning?]

Most of the fastest laps are actually happening around the 3/4 mark of the race or when the last good set of options are put on and the car is lighter. In Monaco the fastest lap was done by Webber on the last lap simply because everyone got fresh rubber at the end of the race but that's not been the norm this year.

Hence my suggestion that it's more about fuel load and tire performance which makes RB less competitive in race trim compared to quali.

We're on the same page... it's just that unlike last year which was VERY linear with most of the fast laps coming near the end of every race, this year, those fast laps aren't all happening at the end of the race because of the non linear correlation between tire wear and fuel load. We've had lots of fast laps in laps 35 to 40 of your typical 50ish lap race.

[CarBore]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

They're still posting the fastest lap of the race though towards the end of a GP. Me thinks it's got more to do with fuel load and tire performance.

The RB7s downforce advantage isn't just the EBD thought. If all teams lose it its concievable that they pull even further ahead because its a lower % of their overall downforce.

[billindenver]

How many times now have the mortals declared to have found Red Bulls secret? How many times has the crushing blow turned out to be futile? There isn't a single magic bullet in my opinion. The secret is Newey...and the manner in which the team operates. No finger pointing. No firing of everyone when things didn't go their way. The team was properly constructed and then allowed to blossom. Newey is the brain perhaps...but the brain can't function without the heart and soul....and that team has plenty of both.

The blown diffuser could go away tomorrow...and I suspect nothing would change.

[darwin dali]

How many times now have the mortals declared to have found Red Bulls secret? How many times has the crushing blow turned out to be futile? There isn't a single magic bullet in my opinion. The secret is Newey...and the manner in which the team operates. No finger pointing. No firing of everyone when things didn't go their way. The team was properly constructed and then allowed to blossom. Newey is the brain perhaps...but the brain can't function without the heart and soul....and that team has plenty of both.

The blown diffuser could go away tomorrow...and I suspect nothing would change.

...but they don't have a history and are just a drinks company

[billindenver]

How many times now have the mortals declared to have found Red Bulls secret? How many times has the crushing blow turned out to be futile? There isn't a single magic bullet in my opinion. The secret is Newey...and the manner in which the team operates. No finger pointing. No firing of everyone when things didn't go their way. The team was properly constructed and then allowed to blossom. Newey is the brain perhaps...but the brain can't function without the heart and soul....and that team has plenty of both.

The blown diffuser could go away tomorrow...and I suspect nothing would change.

...but they don't have a history and are just a drinks company

A drinks company that does FAR more racing than any other team on the F1 grid. Name a motorsport and you will likely see a Red Bull team or title sponsorship in it. They are quickly becoming a racing brand in my mind. Motocross, sportscars, boats, airplanes....you name it...the Red Bull Wings are there. God Bless em says I...long may that sort of dedication remain.

But I'm still not drinking that crap.

[sennasational]

4) I dont care what any one thinks, his KERS is working much better than anyone elses (how can you still pull away with a malfunctioning system)

Just my opinion

You can see on the in car telemetry his failed KERS because it isn't actually being used. His ability to pull away is more to do with the extra traction, presumably from the RB7's much better EBD

Honestly I think when (or if) they limit the blown diffusers it will effectively kill RB. Thats where they get their time in quali, they would have to tone it down during the race to stop the engine from exploding which imo explains why they can't match their qualifying times in the race. Should be interesting.

They're still posting the fastest lap of the race though towards the end of a GP. Me thinks it's got more to do with fuel load and tire performance.

Most of the fastest laps are actually happening around the 3/4 mark of the race or when the last good set of options are put on and the car is lighter. In Monaco the fastest lap was done by Webber on the last lap simply because everyone got fresh rubber at the end of the race but that's not been the norm this year.

Hence my suggestion that it's more about fuel load and tire performance which makes RB less competitive in race trim compared to quali.

Apart from the RBs aren't half a second a lap faster at the end of the race when the cars are running on fumes, meaning something changes between Q and the race. The only thing that they would HAVE to change is the engine because running the blown diffuser at maximum all race would ruin the engine. The RB's biggest advantage is how quickly it can get the power down in the corners, which is mainly due to the diffuser system i reckon. The McLaren should have the power advantage and yet the RB pulls away from them out of a corner without KERS and with the McLaren with the DRS open, it's still the best through high speed corners due to its aero design, but i think it's blown diffuser gives a massive advantage.

[darwin dali]

How many times now have the mortals declared to have found Red Bulls secret? How many times has the crushing blow turned out to be futile? There isn't a single magic bullet in my opinion. The secret is Newey...and the manner in which the team operates. No finger pointing. No firing of everyone when things didn't go their way. The team was properly constructed and then allowed to blossom. Newey is the brain perhaps...but the brain can't function without the heart and soul....and that team has plenty of both.

The blown diffuser could go away tomorrow...and I suspect nothing would change.

...but they don't have a history and are just a drinks company

A drinks company that does FAR more racing than any other team on the F1 grid. Name a motorsport and you will likely see a Red Bull team or title sponsorship in it. They are quickly becoming a racing brand in my mind. Motocross, sportscars, boats, airplanes....you name it...the Red Bull Wings are there. God Bless em says I...long may that sort of dedication remain.

But I'm still not drinking that crap.