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[FerrariFan63]

It is possible to criticise LH's dreadful driving last weekend without it being "hating" or making statements about LH's abilities or performance at other times and places.

There are those who appear extremely oversensitive to any criticism of LH, and respond to it by assuming that anyone who dares do so is a "hater", implying irrationality in the criticism.

[darwin dali]

It is possible to criticise LH's dreadful driving last weekend without it being "hating" or making statements about LH's abilities or performance at other times and places.

There are those who appear extremely oversensitive to any criticism of LH, and respond to it by assuming that anyone who dares do so is a "hater", implying irrationality in the criticism.

sigh

[F1er]

...Lewis was alongside Massa as Massa was going into the corner. It was Lewis's responsibility to anticipate Massa closing the space.

But Massa didn't simply "close the space". He started out that way, but there's a point about halfway in where he clearly turned further into Lewis.

Yes, they call that point the turn in....where you head for the apex of the corner. You will find that drivers do that on every corner. It allows them to change direction....otherwise known as turning. If you look again, you will see that the car ahead of Massa is on an outside line, while the car ahead of him is on an inside line. As a driver looking for a way around the guy in front of you....you don't follow in his track. If he screws up and you are behind him...you are blocked. Massa went inside because the car ahead was outside. That is racing 101. Massa was not at fault here, and anyone who has ever turned a wheel can see that with crystal clarity. Hamilton's line wasn't even possible. He could not make that tight hairpin from so far inside at the entrance. He could not pass Massa on that line. He could not avoid a collision on that line. Hamilton is normally a very good passer....but he had a very off day and he paid for it....as did those he collided with.

It takes two to tango Billie.

[horsepower]

i'm new to this forum and finding this thread a little strange.

it's coming over as though it's expected that everyone has to like lh or they are a) a troll b) the thread is moderated c) the op is ganged up on by the lh lovers.

are people not allowed an individual opinion or am i misunderstanding things? i'd kinda like to think there is freedom of speach here. we don't all have to have the same opinion do we?

cheers

as to the op, i personally thought lh's driving was appauling on sunday, as were his comments reguarding other drivers and the reason he's under the steward's gaze so much.

hp

[Besson]

nothing wrong with this thread given recent events, its better than clogging up the race thread with unrelated topics

[F1er]

i'm new to this forum and finding this thread a little strange.

it's coming over as though it's expected that everyone has to like lh or they are a) a troll b) the thread is moderated c) the op is ganged up on by the lh lovers.

are people not allowed an individual opinion or am i misunderstanding things? i'd kinda like to think there is freedom of speach here. we don't all have to have the same opinion do we?

cheers

as to the op, i personally thought lh's driving was appauling on sunday, as were his comments reguarding other drivers and the reason he's under the steward's gaze so much.

hp

There used to be a Lewis Hamilton general thread and it got locked.Wanna guess why?
And also the timing and this being the OP's first seems fishy,flamy,baity and trolly.
Why not bring back the old one?

[billindenver]

...Lewis was alongside Massa as Massa was going into the corner. It was Lewis's responsibility to anticipate Massa closing the space.

But Massa didn't simply "close the space". He started out that way, but there's a point about halfway in where he clearly turned further into Lewis.

Yes, they call that point the turn in....where you head for the apex of the corner. You will find that drivers do that on every corner. It allows them to change direction....otherwise known as turning. If you look again, you will see that the car ahead of Massa is on an outside line, while the car ahead of him is on an inside line. As a driver looking for a way around the guy in front of you....you don't follow in his track. If he screws up and you are behind him...you are blocked. Massa went inside because the car ahead was outside. That is racing 101. Massa was not at fault here, and anyone who has ever turned a wheel can see that with crystal clarity. Hamilton's line wasn't even possible. He could not make that tight hairpin from so far inside at the entrance. He could not pass Massa on that line. He could not avoid a collision on that line. Hamilton is normally a very good passer....but he had a very off day and he paid for it....as did those he collided with.

It takes two to tango Billie.

You asking me on a date girlfriend?

Massa was under no obligation to make room. Hamilton was not alongside. The photos posted here clearly show that Hamilton was behind when Massa turned in...nowhere near alongside. Even after the collision he never did make it alongside so it is utterly ridiculous to claim he wasn't to blame for the collision.

[Peng]

Massa was under no obligation to make room. Hamilton was not alongside. The photos posted here clearly show that Hamilton was behind when Massa turned in...nowhere near alongside. Even after the collision he never did make it alongside so it is utterly ridiculous to claim he wasn't to blame for the collision.

Just so you know i am not claiming Hamilton wasn't to blame for the collision i am claiming Massa wasn't blame free either, both made a choice which ended up in a collision so both are to blame.

[billindenver]

How many accidents does Hamilton have to cause before he seriously injures somebody? He's been getting away with it far too long and this week was just awful driving

I like your style man.

Cheers!

[F1er]

...Lewis was alongside Massa as Massa was going into the corner. It was Lewis's responsibility to anticipate Massa closing the space.

But Massa didn't simply "close the space". He started out that way, but there's a point about halfway in where he clearly turned further into Lewis.

Yes, they call that point the turn in....where you head for the apex of the corner. You will find that drivers do that on every corner. It allows them to change direction....otherwise known as turning. If you look again, you will see that the car ahead of Massa is on an outside line, while the car ahead of him is on an inside line. As a driver looking for a way around the guy in front of you....you don't follow in his track. If he screws up and you are behind him...you are blocked. Massa went inside because the car ahead was outside. That is racing 101. Massa was not at fault here, and anyone who has ever turned a wheel can see that with crystal clarity. Hamilton's line wasn't even possible. He could not make that tight hairpin from so far inside at the entrance. He could not pass Massa on that line. He could not avoid a collision on that line. Hamilton is normally a very good passer....but he had a very off day and he paid for it....as did those he collided with.

It takes two to tango Billie.

You asking me on a date girlfriend?

Massa was under no obligation to make room. Hamilton was not alongside. The photos posted here clearly show that Hamilton was behind when Massa turned in...nowhere near alongside. Even after the collision he never did make it alongside so it is utterly ridiculous to claim he wasn't to blame for the collision.

How can you blame Lewis here and Singapore/Webber as well? Will you please be honest and confess?

I don't date hun,I'm the hit-n-run type

[Jabberwocky]

i'm new to this forum and finding this thread a little strange.

it's coming over as though it's expected that everyone has to like lh or they are a) a troll b) the thread is moderated c) the op is ganged up on by the lh lovers.

are people not allowed an individual opinion or am i misunderstanding things? i'd kinda like to think there is freedom of speach here. we don't all have to have the same opinion do we?

cheers

as to the op, i personally thought lh's driving was appauling on sunday, as were his comments reguarding other drivers and the reason he's under the steward's gaze so much.

hp

You are indeed right, LH driving on Sunday was aggressive, that aggressive that the Stewards reprimanded him for it.

It is just from experience of this forum the probability will be that some members who are so in awe with Mr Hamilton that anything that is said against him turns into a bitter argument of hate.

[scotty]

Massa was under no obligation to make room. Hamilton was not alongside. The photos posted here clearly show that Hamilton was behind when Massa turned in...nowhere near alongside. Even after the collision he never did make it alongside so it is utterly ridiculous to claim he wasn't to blame for the collision.

Exactly. Simple fact is Hamilton was NEVER going to make those moves stick, he was way too far behind. It's incredibly rare to see such moves be pulled off anywhere, let alone at bloody Monaco.

[billindenver]

Massa was under no obligation to make room. Hamilton was not alongside. The photos posted here clearly show that Hamilton was behind when Massa turned in...nowhere near alongside. Even after the collision he never did make it alongside so it is utterly ridiculous to claim he wasn't to blame for the collision.

Just so you know i am not claiming Hamilton wasn't to blame for the collision i am claiming Massa wasn't blame free either, both made a choice which ended up in a collision so both are to blame.

True enough, provided Massa saw Hamilton dive up the inside. I think you might agree that at some point on the approach to that corner a driver stops watching his mirrors and assumes any attack from that point would be pointless so likely not attempted. Certainly if Massa intentionally turned in on him, then Massa shares some blame....the question is...do you believe he did? I do not, as I think Massa was on a line lookin to go inside of Webber should Webber screw up the corner and was likely looking towards his apex rather than his mirror. But opinions obviously vary.

[vlad]

Indeed!


But...


I still think that the punishments should be taken on the next GP.

[What's Burning?]

Welcome to the forum fingers, I moved your topic here because if you read the last 15 or so pages of the Monaco thread, you'd probably know where everyone stands and we can keep the discussion a little more tidy.