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[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Hamilton has a problem in that he's making too many enemies these days. No one will give him an inch even though he is faster than the lot of them IMO....

Stop it, you're making too much sense for a noob.

Hamilton obviously fails to recognise that he likely has placed himself under all the more scrutiny from the stewards as a result of his ceaseless outbursts. And look for other drivers to take advantage of that fact. He needs to man up, shut up, realise he's not the second coming of Senna and stop making his future all the more difficult.

And while he's at it, he needs to put this book on his reading list:

[FRAFPDD]

Lol :p as i said it has nothing to with Hamilton i don't believe aggressive driving should be punished and you clearly do which to me makes me wonder why you watch F1 in the first place.

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

Its pretty obvious people don't want to hear anything but that Hamilton is a maniac so i guess its pointless to even attempt to discuss this, he got a penalty for it so clearly the stewards in their almighty wisdom agreed with you.

But as i said i just hope they follow suit with their aggressive stance on any type of aggressive overtaking and give penalties for similar incidents and if thats the case i expect to see alot of drive through's given in the remaining races.

You really have a lot to learn about motor racing if you think you have to take someone out to cross the line.Maybe read the rules before commenting? .Don't get me wrong i'm far from perfect with my limited formula first experience, but I think I might be slightly ahead of you

Don't think i ever claimed that but i guess you are still reading between the lines.

What your saying should be a non-issue, but some people, and its always some over most, ruin it for everyone, by being so frustrated at not getting laid recently/ever that they enjoy mucking about with essentially, strangers on the internet.....

I apologise for trying to have a discussion.

And i will attempt to get laid more since i am apparently so frustrated.

I wewrent talking about you peng lol

[Peng]

Lol :p as i said it has nothing to with Hamilton i don't believe aggressive driving should be punished and you clearly do which to me makes me wonder why you watch F1 in the first place.

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

Its pretty obvious people don't want to hear anything but that Hamilton is a maniac so i guess its pointless to even attempt to discuss this, he got a penalty for it so clearly the stewards in their almighty wisdom agreed with you.

But as i said i just hope they follow suit with their aggressive stance on any type of aggressive overtaking and give penalties for similar incidents and if thats the case i expect to see alot of drive through's given in the remaining races.

You really have a lot to learn about motor racing if you think you have to take someone out to cross the line.Maybe read the rules before commenting? .Don't get me wrong i'm far from perfect with my limited formula first experience, but I think I might be slightly ahead of you

Don't think i ever claimed that but i guess you are still reading between the lines.

your exact words were
Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

And Ferrarifan63's exact words were

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Which my exact words are a direct reply to.

Hamilton also didn't take Massa out in the hairpin so at no point does what you are saying make any sense at all, i am just curious are you attempting to troll me or are you just this dumb?

[billindenver]

Hamilton has a problem in that he's making too many enemies these days. No one will give him an inch even though he is faster than the lot of them IMO....

Stop it, you're making too much sense for a noob.

Hamilton obviously fails to recognise that he likely has placed himself under all the more scrutiny from the stewards as a result of his ceaseless outbursts. And look for other drivers to take advantage of that fact. He needs to man up, shut up, realise he's not the second coming of Senna and stop making his future all the more difficult.

[Peng]

Hamilton obviously fails to recognise that he likely has placed himself under all the more scrutiny from the stewards as a result of his ceaseless outbursts. And look for other drivers to take advantage of that fact. He needs to man up, shut up, realise he's not the second coming of Senna and stop making his future all the more difficult.

I actually agree lol :p i found his interview funny but he has probably made himself more of a target which is something he doesn't need if he even remotely wants to have a chance at winning.

Not like its going to happen since he seems to be able to mess up something at every race.

[McLaren]

Lol :p as i said it has nothing to with Hamilton i don't believe aggressive driving should be punished and you clearly do which to me makes me wonder why you watch F1 in the first place.

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

Its pretty obvious people don't want to hear anything but that Hamilton is a maniac so i guess its pointless to even attempt to discuss this, he got a penalty for it so clearly the stewards in their almighty wisdom agreed with you.

But as i said i just hope they follow suit with their aggressive stance on any type of aggressive overtaking and give penalties for similar incidents and if thats the case i expect to see alot of drive through's given in the remaining races.

You really have a lot to learn about motor racing if you think you have to take someone out to cross the line.Maybe read the rules before commenting? .Don't get me wrong i'm far from perfect with my limited formula first experience, but I think I might be slightly ahead of you

Don't think i ever claimed that but i guess you are still reading between the lines.

your exact words were
Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

And Ferrarifan63's exact words were

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Which my exact words are a direct reply to.

Hamilton also didn't take Massa out in the hairpin so at no point does what you are saying make any sense at all, i am just curious are you attempting to troll me or are you just this dumb?

I wasn't saying what anyone else's words were i was saying what you said.and what you said was

"Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race."

then

"He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage."


No he clearly slowed down on the grounds a few yards ahead of him was the tightest turn in formula one

[smokin]

What a great race, what an anticlimax.

I'll pass no comment on Hamilton's actions. More than enough ridiculous things have been said for and against in this thread.

McLaren had the best strategy (with Button) and probably the best car. Except - Button's strategy relied on there being no Safety Car intrusions and certainly no race stopped scenario. At Monaco, relying on that borders on lunacy so it was the worst strategy for the best car. Vettel, and Alonso, to some extent, benefited from being able to put on fresh tyres for the final three lap parade but even a Safety Car interlude was going to work in Vettel's favour.

Alonso drove the wheels off that Ferrari and would have got Vettel before the end or an overtaking attempt would have put both of them off line, allowing Button to take them both.

Without an incident, Vettel was not winning that race. But then, who'd have bet against a Safety Car in the last 10-15 laps of the Monaco GP?

Dunce's cap to McLaren for getting it so wrong; kudos to Red Bull for getting it right.

[Peng]

Lol :p as i said it has nothing to with Hamilton i don't believe aggressive driving should be punished and you clearly do which to me makes me wonder why you watch F1 in the first place.

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

Its pretty obvious people don't want to hear anything but that Hamilton is a maniac so i guess its pointless to even attempt to discuss this, he got a penalty for it so clearly the stewards in their almighty wisdom agreed with you.

But as i said i just hope they follow suit with their aggressive stance on any type of aggressive overtaking and give penalties for similar incidents and if thats the case i expect to see alot of drive through's given in the remaining races.

You really have a lot to learn about motor racing if you think you have to take someone out to cross the line.Maybe read the rules before commenting? .Don't get me wrong i'm far from perfect with my limited formula first experience, but I think I might be slightly ahead of you

Don't think i ever claimed that but i guess you are still reading between the lines.

your exact words were
Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

And Ferrarifan63's exact words were

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Which my exact words are a direct reply to.

Hamilton also didn't take Massa out in the hairpin so at no point does what you are saying make any sense at all, i am just curious are you attempting to troll me or are you just this dumb?

I wasn't saying what anyone else's words were i was saying what you said.and what you said was

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

"then"

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

No he clearly slowed down on the grounds a few yards ahead of him was the tightest turn in formula one

You know what since i have no idea what point you are even remotely attempting to make since you seem to have lost the plot completely i will just agree to disagree about whatever the hell you are talking about and finish this discussion, you clearly have a very different view on racing than i do which is fair enough and a view the stewards seem to agree with.

I just personally hope this aggressive stance on any type of aggressive driving doesn't cause drivers to start second guessing if its worth attempting an overtake in fear they will just get a penalty anyway.

[McLaren]

Lol :p as i said it has nothing to with Hamilton i don't believe aggressive driving should be punished and you clearly do which to me makes me wonder why you watch F1 in the first place.

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

Its pretty obvious people don't want to hear anything but that Hamilton is a maniac so i guess its pointless to even attempt to discuss this, he got a penalty for it so clearly the stewards in their almighty wisdom agreed with you.

But as i said i just hope they follow suit with their aggressive stance on any type of aggressive overtaking and give penalties for similar incidents and if thats the case i expect to see alot of drive through's given in the remaining races.

You really have a lot to learn about motor racing if you think you have to take someone out to cross the line.Maybe read the rules before commenting? .Don't get me wrong i'm far from perfect with my limited formula first experience, but I think I might be slightly ahead of you

Don't think i ever claimed that but i guess you are still reading between the lines.

your exact words were
Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

And Ferrarifan63's exact words were

There are quire a few of us who want to see aggressive driving, but there is a line beyond which "aggressive" becomes plain stupid. Hamilton crossed that line today.

Which my exact words are a direct reply to.

Hamilton also didn't take Massa out in the hairpin so at no point does what you are saying make any sense at all, i am just curious are you attempting to troll me or are you just this dumb?

I wasn't saying what anyone else's words were i was saying what you said.and what you said was

Crossing the line for me would have been taking Massa straight out of the race.

"then"

He clearly slowed down when he saw Massa turning in which is why neither came out with any noticeable damage.

No he clearly slowed down on the grounds a few yards ahead of him was the tightest turn in formula one

You know what since i have no idea what point you are even remotely attempting to make since you seem to have lost the plot completely i will just agree to disagree about whatever the hell you are talking about and finish this discussion, you clearly have a very different view on racing than i do which is fair enough and a view the stewards seem to agree with.

I just personally hope this aggressive stance on any type of aggressive driving doesn't cause drivers to start second guessing if its worth attempting an overtake in fear they will just get a penalty anyway.

Ok so you have no idea what I or the stewards of the race are saying.Don't you think it might be you that is at fault ?

[Peng]

Ok so you have no idea what I or the stewards of the race are saying.Don't you think it might be you that is at fault ?

Lol i know why the stewards gave the penalty i just don't know what point you are trying to get at since you are stating very obvious facts which have no relevance in the slightest to any of what i have said.

I think the problem is either you don't understand the point i was trying to make or you are just trying to troll for whatever reason.

[McLaren]

Ok so you have no idea what I or the stewards of the race are saying.Don't you think it might be you that is at fault ?

Lol i know why the stewards gave the penalty i just don't know what point you are trying to get at since you are stating very obvious facts which have no relevance in the slightest to any of what i have said.

I think the problem is either you don't understand the point i was trying to make or you are just trying to troll for whatever reason.

I don't do trolling,but i fail to see what your point is .I was stating the facts of your posts.Maybe i miss-read them.??End of the day no matter what your view is i thought Lewis was in the wrong today.
Please explain where I might of missed something but for me he drove like an idiot today,thats coming from someone that supports attacking drivers.

[billindenver]

Ok so you have no idea what I or the stewards of the race are saying.Don't you think it might be you that is at fault ?

Lol i know why the stewards gave the penalty i just don't know what point you are trying to get at since you are stating very obvious facts which have no relevance in the slightest to any of what i have said.

I think the problem is either you don't understand the point i was trying to make or you are just trying to troll for whatever reason.

I think the problem is you haven't shared any of what you have been smoking. Clearly nobody can track with the tangents your mind is off on if we haven't indulged in the same herbal essence in which you are clouded.

[hamilton08]

As Much as I like Hamilton as my fave racing driver today he is un defendable.
You just can not defend what he did today on the race track at all and both penalties were fair the first one on Massa it was quite obvious that he was far to behind to overtake from the position he was in yet he still went for it. It dosent matter if he stopped as soon as he noticed Massa was there he took that gamble when really there was no chance of a overtake and it was only fair that he pays for it.

The 2nd one I did not really get to see it much but from the replays it looks like a ambitious overtake from a place where over taking dosent happen much.


Now onto Jenson he had this race won when he was in front of Vettel but he really did beat himself as did McLaren they were not beaten by Red Bull today they were beaten by themselves.

[billindenver]

As Much as I like Hamilton as my fave racing driver today he is un defendable.
You just can not defend what he did today on the race track at all and both penalties were fair the first one on Massa it was quite obvious that he was far to behind to overtake from the position he was in yet he still went for it. It dosent matter if he stopped as soon as he noticed Massa was there he took that gamble when really there was no chance of a overtake and it was only fair that he pays for it.

The 2nd one I did not really get to see it much but from the replays it looks like a ambitious overtake from a place where over taking dosent happen much.


Now onto Jenson he had this race won when he was in front of Vettel but he really did beat himself as did McLaren they were not beaten by Red Bull today they were beaten by themselves.

Yeah, and I really wanted to see Button take this one. At least he didn't run for the nearest reporter blaming his team, his Serene Highness, that chick on the third boat from the right, global warming...etc etc. That's one thing I really like about Button...he doesn't often go off on blaming everyone else tangents. I just wish he were more 'get it now' and less 'wait and see'.

[Peng]

Ok so you have no idea what I or the stewards of the race are saying.Don't you think it might be you that is at fault ?

Lol i know why the stewards gave the penalty i just don't know what point you are trying to get at since you are stating very obvious facts which have no relevance in the slightest to any of what i have said.

I think the problem is either you don't understand the point i was trying to make or you are just trying to troll for whatever reason.

I don't do trolling,but i fail to see what your point is .I was stating the facts of your posts.Maybe i miss-read them.??End of the day no matter what your view is i thought Lewis was in the wrong today.
Please explain where I might of missed something but for me he drove like an idiot today,thats coming from someone that supports attacking drivers.

He drove like an idiot when he hit Maldonado i 100% agree.

He backed off when he hit Massa to such an extent that he did no noticeable damage to Massa and no noticeable damage to himself which to me shows he didn't just attempt to drive through Massa but saw Massa's defensive move and attempted to slow down but it was too late and they touched.

My comment about him crossing the line would have been taking Massa out directly reflects that since he went into Massa's sidepod and if you have been watching F1 as long as me you will clearly know you don't need much speed to seriously damage that sidepod and take someone out, he also did from what i could see no real damage to his front wing which made direct contact with Massa's car which again confirms he had next to no momentum when he touched Massa.

He basically got dragged around the corner by Massa and than Massa crashed 15 seconds later due to going wide, if that was a result of the collision between Hamilton or even Webber hasn't been proven or even really mentioned so the conclusion is he lost the car which is what caused him to crash.

My point is you claim he is an idiot for going for a gap that was present on a track with extremely limited opportunities for overtaking and i disagree especially considering how well he did to not take both himself and Massa out of the race considering how Massa gave me the choice of stop or crash, he had to try something and he may have chosen a bad corner to try the overtake but there was a gap when he went for it and there is plenty of space in that corner to overtake which was proved on lap 1 by Schumi.

So what i am trying to say as clearly as possible is i don't care if it was Hamilton, Button, Vettel, Alonso or whoever making the move in my opinion he had to take a risk or settle for 9th/10th or wherever he was, in the end it worked out for him as he wasn't exactly going to be getting a podium by getting stuck in traffic.

Again its personal opinion you probably disagree and i am sure most do since people have a very poor view on aggressive driving.

I think the problem is you haven't shared any of what you have been smoking. Clearly nobody can track with the tangents your mind is off on if we haven't indulged in the same herbal essence in which you are clouded.

Pretty sure i stole some of your stash.