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[billindenver]

Looks like a bad hair day for LH

A bad hair day? A bit harsh?

[Ineluke]

Anyway it's done and dusted..

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Two week break and back firing on all cylinders in Canada.

[McLaren]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

The cars collided which = a race incident,which is what he got done for.You can't have drivers trying overtakes form that deep.It was a silly move from a great driver ,thats coming form a Lewis fan

[What's Burning?]

Yabba Dabba Doo! Ringa Dingy Ding Ding Ding Ding!

Is anyone surprised? Vettel has his Monaco win no self respecting WDC should be without one, congrats to him for it. Alonso, hell of a drive to get the most out of the F150, maybe the restart cost him the top step maybe not, but a well deserved drive. Good drive for Button, likely for him, but unlikely that even on his fresher tires he would have gotten to the top step of the podium. Monaco is just too tough to pass in, and it's been the one track this year where qualifying on Saturday mattered big time. Hamilton, was just sloppy, he's aggressive but aggressive driving is a double edged sword and he got cut today. He's always going to try to pass, sitting back and waiting for a miracle is not his style, but you also can't push beyond the breaking point. You know today's result was a direct projection of yesterday's qualifying faux pas, start getting ready for Canada.

Now my drive of the day goes to Kobayashi let's not overlook his performance, from 12t on the grid to a solid 5th place, almost held off for 4th, but he did the best he was going to do with a mid field car, I love this guy. Over all, an eventful if not too predictable Monaco result.

[darwin dali]

Looks like a bad hair day for LH

A bad hair day? A bit harsh?

[billindenver]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

Massa's interview on speed seemed to suggest that the damage done is what caused his car not to turn in at the tunnel...putting him in the marbles and hence the wall. Considering it's Massa saying it, it's just as likely he overcooked the tunnel entrance and was too busy complaining at the top of his lungs to hold his line. Still, you could see barge boards or something departing his car while Lewis's tire was against it.....so who knows.

[Peng]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

The cars collided which = a race incident,which is what he got done for.You can't have drivers trying overtakes form that deep.It was a silly move from a great driver ,thats coming form a Lewis fan

I didn't think racing incidents got penalties and i am pretty sure the bbc commentators have the same exact thoughts on the subject.

If you don't want people attempting overtakes in Monaco than just ban overtaking on the track or just remove the track from the schedule, the track has very little places to overtake as it is and the places you can successfully overtake at will always come down to situations like that.

So you either ban overtaking in Monaco or allow "racing incidents" to occur.

[darwin dali]

Is it not obvious? Pirelli make RedBull better tires than everyone else because they love Vettel's finger. Duh!

No, because RB sends 50 cases of Red Bull to the Pirelli factory free of charge every month.

[Peng]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

Massa's interview on speed seemed to suggest that the damage done is what caused his car not to turn in at the tunnel...putting him in the marbles and hence the wall. Considering it's Massa saying it, it's just as likely he overcooked the tunnel entrance and was too busy complaining at the top of his lungs to hold his line. Still, you could see barge boards or something departing his car while Lewis's tire was against it.....so who knows.

I personally didn't see any damage to Massa's car but ofcourse the camera isn't that close, Hamilton just seemed to nudge into him and than they kind of got stuck together for a few seconds but at no point did i see any noticable damage, the fact Hamiltons front wing seemed fine even though you could see parts flying off it shows how soft the touch between them was.

But anyway i consider it a racing incident which in my view isn't subject for a penalty, or if racing incidents are now subject to penalties you may aswell remove overtaking from F1 altogether because you will have to hand out penalties anytime any car touches another.

[Ri21]

Really enjoyed todays race...although im kinda bored with Vettel winning all the time...but it had it all today....most of it was Hamilton making silly mistakes and not admitting he was in the wrong but hey....hes still my favourite racing driver out there...its just a shame to see him loose his cool in such a way

Shame that Jenson didnt get lucky in the race either...it just seems that all the luck is going to Vettel and red bull atm...im not saying that i dont think Vettel deserved to win the race...but well im kinda bored with him winning all the time...im not a fan on Alonso but even a small part of me would of been happy to see him win today over Vettel (wow that hurt saying that) Anyway Hopefully Hamilton and Mclaren will nail Redbull in Canada (fingers crossed)

[McLaren]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

The cars collided which = a race incident,which is what he got done for.You can't have drivers trying overtakes form that deep.It was a silly move from a great driver ,thats coming form a Lewis fan

I didn't think racing incidents got penalties and i am pretty sure the bbc commentators have the same exact thoughts on the subject.

If you don't want people attempting overtakes in Monaco than just ban overtaking on the track or just remove the track from the schedule, the track has very little places to overtake as it is and the places you can successfully overtake at will always come down to situations like that.

So you either ban overtaking in Monaco or allow "racing incidents" to occur.

For what its worth i think they should ditch Monaco.Its a joke fo a track.Well it isn't a track is it ? lol.They could build a track just down the road where all the millionaires can dock their boats and watch the racing.It's not like they can't afford it is it?.
Formula one has out grown monaco.Senna proved in 1992 if your good enough you can't be passed at Monaco, even if your on old rubber.

[billindenver]

One thing i want to know since i haven't seen anything relating to this.

Did the contact between Massa and Hamilton actually cause damage to either car? we saw some damage i guess but it seemed more on Hamiltons car and nothing at all on Massa's, Ferrari haven't claimed otherwise from what i can see.

So the question is did Hamilton cause damage or did he get a penalty for touching wheels with Massa? from what has been said Massa went off the racing line when he crashed he didn't claim his car was damaged and that is what caused the crash.

The cars collided which = a race incident,which is what he got done for.You can't have drivers trying overtakes form that deep.It was a silly move from a great driver ,thats coming form a Lewis fan

I didn't think racing incidents got penalties and i am pretty sure the bbc commentators have the same exact thoughts on the subject.

If you don't want people attempting overtakes in Monaco than just ban overtaking on the track or just remove the track from the schedule, the track has very little places to overtake as it is and the places you can successfully overtake at will always come down to situations like that.

So you either ban overtaking in Monaco or allow "racing incidents" to occur.

If they just allow drivers to knock others out of the way with no regard for whether or not the pass was even possible without contact.....Newey will simply design an aerodynamic front crash bumper and Red Bull can start punting anyone in front of them.

Even in club racing it is considered bad form to use the guy in front of you as a braking assist. You can't just charge up the inside, slam into him which slows you enough to make the corner and throws him off the outside. Racing incidents are incidents where neither driver is trying to be unfair and yet the cars touch anyway. Hamilton's attempted pass on Massa was not such an incident. There was literally no possible way for that pass to happen without Massa being collided with...which makes it a dirty move and is penalized.

[What's Burning?]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

[What's Burning?]

Is it not obvious? Pirelli make RedBull better tires than everyone else because they love Vettel's finger. Duh!

No, because RB sends 50 cases of Red Bull to the Pirelli factory free of charge every month.

Don't encourage them!

[billindenver]

No other reason than to stir it up billthebender.

The preference by the forum is that you do not warp a member's name as part of an attack, there are better ways to have a discussion and everyone here deserves the same level of respect whether we agree with them or not. Whether we agree with their tactics or not, or whether we agree with their intent or not.

I was given a board warning for spelling Hamilton's name wrong...

No billindenver, you're not allowed your own facts you were warned for calling Lewis Hamilton a tw@t.

Well that is how you spell his name in Latin.