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[kerc]

How the hell did this turn into a Hamilton-rippin' thread?

[Hammer278]

I am not saying Rubens is bad, it is not as if you can survive in F1 for so long and be bad, I just feel that if I was a team owner especially one that has been floated on the stock exchange that one of my highest profile empolyees have ripped my merchandise to bits.

But what Rubens is saying is true; Williams has been abysmal this season, a team with such history and pedigree should not be at the back fighting with the newbies. I think it's kinda double standards, Lewis Hamilton rips his team to shreds before the season even started, yet that is accepted, Rubens does it after five races of driving an underperforming car and it's jumped on!

To be fair I remember both Lewis and Jenson ripping the team to shreds so why pick on just Lewis? And they are fully justified to do it, after all the hype and promise McLaren were running like a backmarker team in testing. All they said was the car needs a lot of work which was true.

Rubens on the other hand, he is a constant whinger. The guy is never happy, maybe for the first 1 hour after a race win, but he'll soon find something to complain about after that 1 hour.

[myownalias]

I am not saying Rubens is bad, it is not as if you can survive in F1 for so long and be bad, I just feel that if I was a team owner especially one that has been floated on the stock exchange that one of my highest profile empolyees have ripped my merchandise to bits.

But what Rubens is saying is true; Williams has been abysmal this season, a team with such history and pedigree should not be at the back fighting with the newbies. I think it's kinda double standards, Lewis Hamilton rips his team to shreds before the season even started, yet that is accepted, Rubens does it after five races of driving an underperforming car and it's jumped on!

To be fair I remember both Lewis and Jenson ripping the team to shreds so why pick on just Lewis? And they are fully justified to do it, after all the hype and promise McLaren were running like a backmarker team in testing. All they said was the car needs a lot of work which was true.

I can accept that Jenson was whinging too, guess my bias was showing a little on picking specifically on Lewis, I'm human! Lewis did take it further intimating that he would be looking elsewhere for a drive if McLaren can't provide him with a championship winning car. If the McLaren duo are justified in doing it, why isn't Rubens? why is he whining when Lewis and Jenson were justified?

[Hammer278]

They simply called it as they saw it that's why! And I'm sure any top flight driver would NOT stay at a team which does not provide them a chance to win WDCs, why would they??

You could argue Rubens is calling as he sees it in this instance, but seriously, the guy has been 'calling' it throughout. Someone should tell him, we get it the car is crap, just shut up and drive or retire. No one has a gun pointed at your head. Everyone knows Williams has many internal shifts going on, Rubens is coming across (as usual) very insecure trying desperately to convince people "Its not me its not me its the car".

[billindenver]

I am not saying Rubens is bad, it is not as if you can survive in F1 for so long and be bad, I just feel that if I was a team owner especially one that has been floated on the stock exchange that one of my highest profile empolyees have ripped my merchandise to bits.

But what Rubens is saying is true; Williams has been abysmal this season, a team with such history and pedigree should not be at the back fighting with the newbies. I think it's kinda double standards, Lewis Hamilton rips his team to shreds before the season even started, yet that is accepted, Rubens does it after five races of driving an underperforming car and it's jumped on!

To be fair I remember both Lewis and Jenson ripping the team to shreds so why pick on just Lewis? And they are fully justified to do it, after all the hype and promise McLaren were running like a backmarker team in testing. All they said was the car needs a lot of work which was true.

I can accept that Jenson was whinging too, guess my bias was showing a little on picking specifically on Lewis, I'm human! Lewis did take it further intimating that he would be looking elsewhere for a drive if McLaren can't provide him with a championship winning car. If the McLaren duo are justified in doing it, why isn't Rubens? why is he whining when Lewis and Jenson were justified?

You aren't really expecting someone to say, "you know you do have a point there...perhaps I really am a Hamilton fanboy who believes rainbows originate at the end of his...."

Do you?

It's just the way it is and all you are going to get from your question is 289 justifications, none of which you will agree with and none of which can be convinced otherwise. Logic doesn't play in this subject.

[Hammer278]

You need to get it through your thick skull that not everyone who supports Hamilton has to = Hamilton fanboy. It's getting old.

There are many Hamilton fans in this forum, and there are a number of them who can acknowledge other great drivers on the grid and acknowledge Hamilton has his weaknesses.

Woohoo...another thread converted to Hamilton's.

[What's Burning?]

No one ever complains about a wining car, Alonso hasn't been too kind about the F150 this year, so I think most drivers want to at least feel they've got a car under them that's capable of getting them close even if there's no cigar, they at least can feel they've got a fighting chance.

[Peng]

Exactly, but when it's a popular driver like Mr Hamilton with millions of adoring fans, a blind eye tends to be turned, which is even more unacceptable. It's like these Hollywood socialites that break the law and get off lightly (being released from jail after a week or two of a three month) because of their fame and popularity, one brush for everyone else throw away the brush!

People bitch everytime Hamilton utters any kind of negative response especially on this forum so i have no idea what you are talking about, there maybe a large majority that will defend him no matter what happens but there are just as many out there that will attack him no matter what aswell.

Not to mention this thread was started by someone who openly bashes Hamilton frequently so its not like this thread was started by 1 of the so called Hamilton fanatics.

And about the thread, he has a right to complain with how terrible the Williams car is in its current state and i 100% guarantee any driver on the grid would have the same complaints if they were in that team with that car, not to mention as someone already pointed out Alonso hasn't exactly been praising the F150 so far this season and yet i haven't seen a thread posted about him, I don't expect one since the Ferrari are underperforming aswell and even if i do dislike Alonso he has more than enough reason to complain.

[myownalias]

Exactly, but when it's a popular driver like Mr Hamilton with millions of adoring fans, a blind eye tends to be turned, which is even more unacceptable. It's like these Hollywood socialites that break the law and get off lightly (being released from jail after a week or two of a three month) because of their fame and popularity, one brush for everyone else throw away the brush!

People bitch everytime Hamilton utters any kind of negative response especially on this forum so i have no idea what you are talking about, there maybe a large majority that will defend him no matter what happens but there are just as many out there that will attack him no matter what aswell.

Yes, I am aware, I was one of them BUT there were an awful lot of people defending him at the same time, I don't hear many voices defending Rubens! Like Jabberwocky has said; any driver should respect their employer like any other employee. If the average Joe were to complain publicly about their company, they'd be fired in a heartbeat, F1 drivers should show respect for their employers. 90% of all racing drivers are inherent excuse makers, "those beavers making a dam at the side of the track distracted me" and the like. I just think that it's either fine for all drivers to openly criticise their team or it's not fine, no leeway for the popular boys and girls. I see threads on here criticising Rubens time after time every time he utters anything about his team or another driver. Even when Schumacher almost put him in the wall, there were some on here saying he is just whining for nothing, or words to that effect!

And Bill; I don't expect anyone to agree with me; I am pleasantly surprised when people do, it's all in good hearted debate!

[Hammer278]

Exactly, but when it's a popular driver like Mr Hamilton with millions of adoring fans, a blind eye tends to be turned, which is even more unacceptable. It's like these Hollywood socialites that break the law and get off lightly (being released from jail after a week or two of a three month) because of their fame and popularity, one brush for everyone else throw away the brush!

People bitch everytime Hamilton utters any kind of negative response especially on this forum so i have no idea what you are talking about, there maybe a large majority that will defend him no matter what happens but there are just as many out there that will attack him no matter what aswell.

Yes, I am aware, I was one of them BUT there were an awful lot of people defending him at the same time, I don't hear many voices defending Rubens! Like Jabberwocky has said; any driver should respect their employer like any other employee. If the average Joe were to complain publicly about their company, they'd be fired in a heartbeat, F1 drivers should show respect for their employers. 90% of all racing drivers are inherent excuse makers, "those beavers making a dam at the side of the track distracted me" and the like. I just think that it's either fine for all drivers to openly criticise their team or it's not fine, no leeway for the popular boys and girls. I see threads on here criticising Rubens time after time every time he utters anything about his team or another driver. Even when Schumacher almost put him in the wall, there were some on here saying he is just whining for nothing, or words to that effect!

And Bill; I don't expect anyone to agree with me; I am pleasantly surprised when people do, it's all in good hearted debate!

Do you think you could limit this to just racing drivers? What about tennis? Football players/managers? Cricketeers. Every sport I follow has excuse makers, but there is a difference in making excuses and being a whiner.

Everyone can easily accept nearly all drivers DO make excuses, and some of them are justified some are not. However, it does get tiresome when someone goes a bit overboard, in the event that they always 'seem' to be complaining about something. Rubens is one of those in my perspective, and I believe the reason he isn't being defended too much here is because others share this perspective.

To help my point, I'd like to state that I am a closet Heidfeld supporter because of the fact that he shuts the hell up and drives. Even if he's not really WDC material.

And why do you think Kimi was a mega star when he was in F1? The guy hardly spoke and had the personality of a robot! How in the world did he create such a huge fanbase...his cool attitude in just getting on with it!

[myownalias]

I don't believe Rubens complains any more than other drivers... and they have a valid point most of the time but it doesn't help anything, it won't make the car go faster. If a driver approached it better; for example "the car isn't where were need it to be right now, but we working on moving the team forward" would be acknowledging the problem while making it a team effort to fix it!

Personally I like Kobayashi because he is a good driver and he doesn't complain; having sh*t happens attitude and gets on with it!

[vaptin]

I've been quite impressed with Alonso's attitude to this years Ferrari, he's being factual when he says he can't really fight for wins. But he's also been quite positive, talking about moving forward etc.