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[LewEngBridewell]

Time will indeed tell! Hold yer horses lads!

[CarBore]

Sure Seb's win records is comparable to JB's in 2009 but the Brawn was completely untouchable in early 2009, atleast the competitors are closer in absolute pace, despite what the standings table says

[smokin]

Sure Seb's win records is comparable to JB's in 2009 but the Brawn was completely untouchable in early 2009, atleast the competitors are closer in absolute pace, despite what the standings table says

Button's advantage in 2009 was an identifiable innovation, the double diffuser. When the other teams copied it the advantage disappeared. Red Bull's advantage is a combination of things which together make the car faster than the competition and none of them are obvious or easy to copy. It will be interesting to see whether that advantage is still there without the engine overrun maintaining the exhaust-blown diffuser downforce through the corners. HRT's Kolles is also threatening to protest the blown diffuser per se which could upset a lot of teams if he's successful.

[darwin dali]

Sure Seb's win records is comparable to JB's in 2009 but the Brawn was completely untouchable in early 2009, atleast the competitors are closer in absolute pace, despite what the standings table says

Button's advantage in 2009 was an identifiable innovation, the double diffuser. When the other teams copied it the advantage disappeared. Red Bull's advantage is a combination of things which together make the car faster than the competition and none of them are obvious or easy to copy. It will be interesting to see whether that advantage is still there without the engine overrun maintaining the exhaust-blown diffuser downforce through the corners. HRT's Kolles is also threatening to protest the blown diffuser per se which could upset a lot of teams if he's successful.

But still: RB could get caught up by McLaren if the blown diffuser gets outlawed, thus, a similar situation as Brawn in 2009 when other teams caught up mid-season.
OR: it could turn out that the banning of the blown diffuser hurts most teams equally and therefore RB's dominance continues throughout the season.
We're bound to find out shortly...

[Jabberwocky]

Sure Seb's win records is comparable to JB's in 2009 but the Brawn was completely untouchable in early 2009, atleast the competitors are closer in absolute pace, despite what the standings table says

Button's advantage in 2009 was an identifiable innovation, the double diffuser. When the other teams copied it the advantage disappeared. Red Bull's advantage is a combination of things which together make the car faster than the competition and none of them are obvious or easy to copy. It will be interesting to see whether that advantage is still there without the engine overrun maintaining the exhaust-blown diffuser downforce through the corners. HRT's Kolles is also threatening to protest the blown diffuser per se which could upset a lot of teams if he's successful.

But still: RB could get caught up by McLaren if the blown diffuser gets outlawed, thus, a similar situation as Brawn in 2009 when other teams caught up mid-season.
OR: it could turn out that the banning of the blown diffuser hurts most teams equally and therefore RB's dominance continues throughout the season.
We're bound to find out shortly...

I dont think it is all down to the blown diffuser, I am sure there is more than one string to redbulls bow.

[Peng]

But still: RB could get caught up by McLaren if the blown diffuser gets outlawed, thus, a similar situation as Brawn in 2009 when other teams caught up mid-season.
OR: it could turn out that the banning of the blown diffuser hurts most teams equally and therefore RB's dominance continues throughout the season.
We're bound to find out shortly...

But even if Mclaren were to catch RB on pace wouldn't Vettel still win? people keep claiming he is such an amazing driver so i wouldn't see how it would make any difference.

Id rather see a battle for the championship instead of an easy walk to victory by Vettel, he is a great driver and id rather see him prove that than continue winning because no other team can match Newey.

The Schumacher years may have been fun to watch for some but i think most would agree they were some of the most boring years of F1 to watch, its not fun to watch a 1 horse race and with Webber driving so poorly currently that is exactly what it is.

Mclaren have pretty much admitted it themselves that at every race their strategy is based around beating Ferrari instead of RedBull because even with the slower race pace RedBull seem to have they are still some distance ahead of the field when they need to be, the only reason any team is even remotely keeping up is because of how important tyre strategy is which i personally don't like but atleast it does give some exciting battles.

[darwin dali]

Sure Seb's win records is comparable to JB's in 2009 but the Brawn was completely untouchable in early 2009, atleast the competitors are closer in absolute pace, despite what the standings table says

Button's advantage in 2009 was an identifiable innovation, the double diffuser. When the other teams copied it the advantage disappeared. Red Bull's advantage is a combination of things which together make the car faster than the competition and none of them are obvious or easy to copy. It will be interesting to see whether that advantage is still there without the engine overrun maintaining the exhaust-blown diffuser downforce through the corners. HRT's Kolles is also threatening to protest the blown diffuser per se which could upset a lot of teams if he's successful.

But still: RB could get caught up by McLaren if the blown diffuser gets outlawed, thus, a similar situation as Brawn in 2009 when other teams caught up mid-season.
OR: it could turn out that the banning of the blown diffuser hurts most teams equally and therefore RB's dominance continues throughout the season.
We're bound to find out shortly...

I dont think it is all down to the blown diffuser, I am sure there is more than one string to redbulls bow.

I tend to think likewise. We'll find out eventually.

[geetface9]

DRS didn't do it's job. Lewis got stuck behind Vettel, encountering the problem DRS was designed to eliminate. Good race, Vettel did fantastic, Webber did average as always. Mclaren had a great day too.
Only the Mclarens and RBs didn't get lapped which says a lot. Ferrari have a long way to go although Alonso did brilliantly in the first stint. Bring on Monaco

Most important and impressive move was when Vettel was released into traffic and made mince meat of it but Hamilton would have won if DRS had been in an effective zone (imo).

You didn't say that the DRS didn't work for webber who got stuck behind alonso, so I guess one might think Lewis was just doing average too!!!

[F1er]

I don't know how anyone can watch such a close race as that and then say that the season is over...

Complete load of

I can say it's over because even if Seb doesn't win every race,the worst he can do is 2nd or 3rd.............so yeah it's pretty much OVAH

[darwin dali]

I don't know how anyone can watch such a close race as that and then say that the season is over...

Complete load of

I can say it's over because even if Seb doesn't win every race,the worst he can do is 2nd or 3rd.............so yeah it's pretty much OVAH

If SV wins another 4 races by the time the German GP is done, then I'll subscribe to your suggestion.

[CarBore]

HRT protesting the diffuser is a load of

RBR have had it since the start of 2010. All the top teams had it half way through 2010. Every team has some version at least in trial form apart from HRT. They need to be looking inward rather than complaining about something every other team is working on. If it came down the a petition do we think the FIA will bend to HRT or to RBR, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault... Pick you battles Colin

The off throttle engine mapping I can maybe understand people having a problem with but the exhausts have been around for so long and no one even hinted at them being illegal until a few weeks ago. They could have noticed it last year and banned it along with the f-duct by making a ruling about bodywork within x mm of the exhausts or something but they didn't.

In a hypothetical situation where it does get banned even if other teams suffer more than RBR, i.e. its a greater % of their downforce, all that needs to happen is the RB7 to lose enough downforce that it can no longer use the DRS in corners where others can't and they sudden lose alot more of their qualifying advantage.

Maybe since no one can figure out RBR's front wing they have decided to start throwing poo over something else.

[Hammer278]

Brilliant race! What a race...that was simply ownage by the top 2, lapping everyone up till 5th!? It was brilliant seeing Lewis at the ragged edge again on every lap, Vettel certainly earned this one! Answered a few questions in regards to 'can he handle the pressure, blablabla', well he handled some serious pressure from Lewis there! Both drivers inch perfect, and on the limit...this is what I watch F1 for. Congrats to Seb and congrats to McLaren, their updates seem to have got them at least on par in race pace!

I have a question though, why did McLaren bring in Lewis so early for the prime tyres? He stayed out and handled the options very well, and still jumped 2 cars (Webber and Alonso), though they still brought him in 1 lap later than Sebastian. Wouldn't it be better to keep him out as the laptimes were doing great....bring him in around 4 or 5 laps later? The gap when he made his pitstop was 16.9, no way he could've made it in front of Seb. At least, by ensuring his tyres are a few laps newer come the closing stages, he'd have a much better chance of getting past? It seems like they were working towards this strategy all race long, only to throw it away when it was time for the primes.

Side note to Alonso, I can't stand the guy but that was one hell of a start. I don't mind seeing a few more of that, as long as he ends up where he ended up this time.

And congrats to McLaren for managing to bail out Jenson's slowness again with strategy. TBH I was pretty annoyed when he simply opened the door for Webber to pass at one stage, I believe into Turn 5. That was ridiculous, he acted like a backmarker when he could''ve showed more steel.

[darwin dali]

HRT protesting the diffuser is a load of

RBR have had it since the start of 2010. All the top teams had it half way through 2010. Every team has some version at least in trial form apart from HRT. They need to be looking inward rather than complaining about something every other team is working on. If it came down the a petition do we think the FIA will bend to HRT or to RBR, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault... Pick you battles Colin

The off throttle engine mapping I can maybe understand people having a problem with but the exhausts have been around for so long and no one even hinted at them being illegal until a few weeks ago. They could have noticed it last year and banned it along with the f-duct by making a ruling about bodywork within x mm of the exhausts or something but they didn't.

In a hypothetical situation where it does get banned even if other teams suffer more than RBR, i.e. its a greater % of their downforce, all that needs to happen is the RB7 to lose enough downforce that it can no longer use the DRS in corners where others can't and they sudden lose alot more of their qualifying advantage.

Maybe since no one can figure out RBR's front wing they have decided to start throwing poo over something else.

Actually Williams (and I believe Virgin) don't have the blown diffuser either. And Whiting's machinations were actually instigated by an inquiry from Williams (again ).

[CarBore]

HRT protesting the diffuser is a load of

RBR have had it since the start of 2010. All the top teams had it half way through 2010. Every team has some version at least in trial form apart from HRT. They need to be looking inward rather than complaining about something every other team is working on. If it came down the a petition do we think the FIA will bend to HRT or to RBR, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Renault... Pick you battles Colin

The off throttle engine mapping I can maybe understand people having a problem with but the exhausts have been around for so long and no one even hinted at them being illegal until a few weeks ago. They could have noticed it last year and banned it along with the f-duct by making a ruling about bodywork within x mm of the exhausts or something but they didn't.

In a hypothetical situation where it does get banned even if other teams suffer more than RBR, i.e. its a greater % of their downforce, all that needs to happen is the RB7 to lose enough downforce that it can no longer use the DRS in corners where others can't and they sudden lose alot more of their qualifying advantage.

Maybe since no one can figure out RBR's front wing they have decided to start throwing poo over something else.

Actually Williams (and I believe Virgin) don't have the blown diffuser either. And Whiting's machinations were actually instigated by an inquiry from Williams (again ).

Williams and Virgin have tried to implement it. The slowest teams on the grid shouldn't be complaining just because they can't figure something out. It isn't even a grey area like the flexi-wing is.

Also my looking inward comments apply to Williams these days too. Time and energy better spent sorting yourself out.

[vaptin]

There clearly is a "grey area". The fia have already made it clear they were prepared to ban it.

HRT are part of f1, and get the same protest rights as the rest of them.