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[texasmr2]

Just thinking and yes I know that is dangerous territory for me but I had thought. Possibly and just possibly could this relate to the new engine reg's regarding saving some cost in other area's???

[billindenver]

Even in Texas. Dewd.

Well that remark is . Do you actually think you are the.....

Oh never mind.

Oh come on...don't tell me you are getting thin skinned now? I expect more from a Texan. Cowboy up there son....John Wayne grit ain't in it.

[FRAFPDD]

Even in Texas. Dewd.

Well that remark is . Do you actually think you are the.....

Oh never mind.

Oh come on...don't tell me you are getting thin skinned now? I expect more from a Texan. Cowboy up there son....John Wayne grit ain't in it.

are you kenny from south park?

[texasmr2]

Even in Texas. Dewd.

Well that remark is . Do you actually think you are the.....

Oh never mind.

Oh come on...don't tell me you are getting thin skinned now? I expect more from a Texan. Cowboy up there son....John Wayne grit ain't in it.

Just wanted to see if your still lucid and the steaks are on you !!

HEY IT WAS WORTH A SHOT!!!!!

are you kenny from south park?

That is a subject Bill and I often discuss regarding....

[bud]

They should just make the exhaust regulations for next season so they have to be a certain height away from the diffuser and any body work so as to create downforce. Exhaust piper sticking out of the rear like it was a few years ago. Simple and no need to try and monitor engine mapping.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Another clear case of the FIA overreaching.

#1. Using exhaust pressure to generate downforce is neither a new concept nor a creation of the hyperactive minds in F1. It has been being used by a great many forms of motorsport for a very long time.



#2. The FIA have no idea how to confirm compliance. The system works by increasing fuel flow and retarding ignition when off-throttle so the fuel-air charge is ignited too close before opening of the exhaust valve for all the charge to be consumed before being squirted through the exhaust port.



This differs from a "normal" off-throttle condition only in a manner of degree. To enforce this objectively and empirically, the FIA will have to specify the precise throttle position where "off-throttle" mapping in invoked and either the amount of fuel that can be flowed or the minimum timing advance when in an "off-throttle" condition or some combination of the three.

I wouldn't want to be the FIA bloke charged with determining those exact numbers, which then must be applied to four different makes of engine, with some very different design philosophies and individualised for the 12 teams. This brings to mind the title of the Molly Hatchet song, Flirtin' with Disaster.

Speaking of Flirtin' with Disaster, that's exactly what imposing any rule on F1 in the interest of "greenness" is. If you know anything about the history of the movement, they are never -- will never be -- satisfied. If 35% reduction is good, 50% must be better, yes? And if 50% is better, it's only a matter of time until they will drive F1 to this:



So if you would like to see Formula 1 racing driven from existence, feel free to be a green sheeple. Once there are enough of you, even the soap box derby cars will be banned for fear the friction they create with the air will lead to further global warming.

[f1ea]

Cowboy up there son....John Wayne grit ain't in it.

hehe

Another clear case of the FIA overreaching.

i dont know why the FIA feels it needs to close this loop. Maybe to simple down the cars, or to keep smaller teams from spending too much going that ways......

[stonemonkey]

............ it's only a matter of time until they will drive F1 to this:

They'll have to drop Tilke and get Escher to design the circuits.

[What's Burning?]

............ it's only a matter of time until they will drive F1 to this:

They'll have to drop Tilke and get Escher to design the circuits.

I think you may be on to something, after all what could be more green than a perpetual motion machine?

[F1er]

............ it's only a matter of time until they will drive F1 to this:

They'll have to drop Tilke and get Escher to design the circuits.

OMFG is that KIMI in 2nd place?

[texasmr2]

^^^^ That was classic !!

[bud]

Pitpass:
Kolles threatens to protest rivals in Monaco
22/05/2011
Hispania boss Colin Kolles has threatened to protest rival teams that use hot-blown diffusers in Monaco next week.

Speaking at a press conference on Friday, Charlie Whiting warned that such a move was possible following the FIA's U-turn on an immediate ban on the devices. Speaking to the assembled media, when asked if a ban was possible, he replied: "It's always a possibility, and I've made that clear to the teams that it could happen.

"We would take it to the stewards in the normal way," he continued. "We always maintain, in all of our technical directives that we have sent for many years now, that this is merely the opinion of a technical department, and anyone is free to challenge it in front of the stewards. It doesn't happen very often, but has happened in the past.

"I'd like to think that probably wouldn't happen," he added, "but one never knows. It's not beyond the realms of possibility. A protest is open to anybody. It would go before the stewards."

Sure enough, speaking in Barcelona, as the F1 circus prepares to head to Monaco, Kolles admitted to the BBC that he is considering such a move if the FIA doesn't enforce a ban with immediate effect.

"It is clear that the other cars are illegal and it brings the teams a huge advantage," he said. "This is illegal. You cannot influence the aerodynamics by hot exhaust gasses or any moveable devices. We have studied this very carefully. The point is it is not corresponding to the regulations. It brings the other teams a huge advantage. If this is not going to be stopped before Monaco we have no other choice than to make a protest.

"I cannot tell you at what stage during the Monaco Grand Prix we would protest," he added. "The only reason why we are not considering it [now] is because we were not involved in any sporting decision today."

[CarBore]

Pitpass:
Kolles threatens to protest rivals in Monaco
22/05/2011
Hispania boss Colin Kolles has threatened to protest rival teams that use hot-blown diffusers in Monaco next week.

Speaking at a press conference on Friday, Charlie Whiting warned that such a move was possible following the FIA's U-turn on an immediate ban on the devices. Speaking to the assembled media, when asked if a ban was possible, he replied: "It's always a possibility, and I've made that clear to the teams that it could happen.

"We would take it to the stewards in the normal way," he continued. "We always maintain, in all of our technical directives that we have sent for many years now, that this is merely the opinion of a technical department, and anyone is free to challenge it in front of the stewards. It doesn't happen very often, but has happened in the past.

"I'd like to think that probably wouldn't happen," he added, "but one never knows. It's not beyond the realms of possibility. A protest is open to anybody. It would go before the stewards."

Sure enough, speaking in Barcelona, as the F1 circus prepares to head to Monaco, Kolles admitted to the BBC that he is considering such a move if the FIA doesn't enforce a ban with immediate effect.

"It is clear that the other cars are illegal and it brings the teams a huge advantage," he said. "This is illegal. You cannot influence the aerodynamics by hot exhaust gasses or any moveable devices. We have studied this very carefully. The point is it is not corresponding to the regulations. It brings the other teams a huge advantage. If this is not going to be stopped before Monaco we have no other choice than to make a protest.

"I cannot tell you at what stage during the Monaco Grand Prix we would protest," he added. "The only reason why we are not considering it [now] is because we were not involved in any sporting decision today."

HRT vs everyone else hmmmmm...

Sort out the stuff thats making you 5 sec a lap slow before you start complaining about a device people have had for over a year now

[acosmichippo]

"I cannot tell you at what stage during the Monaco Grand Prix we would protest," [Kolles] added. "The only reason why we are not considering it [now] is because we were not involved in any sporting decision today."

Then logically it would follow that they won't be protesting in Monaco either. Unless they expect to be challenging Williams or Lotus, which i doubt. Virgin, i believe, has already abandoned EO.

[nish2280]

Is this not just a sad excuse for not being able to produce the funds required for HRT to develop a EBD of their own?

How is Kolles not embarrassed to do such a cowardly thing?