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[FRAFPDD]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Its all very well making a statement and refusing to back it up. Why are they different?

[vaptin]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Why not? Writing it in big bold letters doesn't make your point more valid you know.

You say it was a waste for Jenson to fight with Lewis because they were losing time to the leaders, in Germany 2010, in terms of the championship Massa was taking points of Alonso whilst the leaders (of the 2010 WDC at that time) were quite far ahead. Alonso needed those points to catch up to them, back to the last race, aren't you saying Hamilton needed Button to let him through so Hamilton could compete with those ahead?

If you think letting go of a victory and letting go of 5th place in the opening laps is the same thing, I can't help you.

I was talking about the reasoning behind it.

[F1er]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Why not? Writing it in big bold letters doesn't make your point more valid you know.

You say it was a waste for Jenson to fight with Lewis because they were losing time to the leaders, in Germany 2010, in terms of the championship Massa was taking points of Alonso whilst the leaders (of the 2010 WDC at that time) were quite far ahead. Alonso needed those points to catch up to them, back to the last race, aren't you saying Hamilton needed Button to let him through so Hamilton could compete with those ahead?

If you think letting go of a victory and letting go of 5th place in the opening laps is the same thing, I can't help you.

I was talking about the reasoning behind it.

exactly,thus you're trying to make it the same thing but it's not

[F1er]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

[vaptin]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Why not? Writing it in big bold letters doesn't make your point more valid you know.

You say it was a waste for Jenson to fight with Lewis because they were losing time to the leaders, in Germany 2010, in terms of the championship Massa was taking points of Alonso whilst the leaders (of the 2010 WDC at that time) were quite far ahead. Alonso needed those points to catch up to them, back to the last race, aren't you saying Hamilton needed Button to let him through so Hamilton could compete with those ahead?

If you think letting go of a victory and letting go of 5th place in the opening laps is the same thing, I can't help you.

I was talking about the reasoning behind it.

exactly,thus you're trying to make it the same thing but it's not

Why not? I made a case, as to why the principles amount to the same thing, I thought you were stating they literally were different "things" (thing is unhelpfully ambiguous), your arguing that for a competitive advantage Jenson should've let Hamilton through, no? Isn't that what happened in Germany 2010?

[FRAFPDD]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

What about if Jenson and Lewis both have a chance of winning the wdc in the last race, jenson is first and slow, Lewis is second and faster,

Whoever finishes first wins the wdc. Now your content with Jenson holding up Lewis to win?

[vaptin]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

Why does the principle (or reasoning) change because the positions are different?

You'd apply the same method, and use the same actions to work out 22 x 33 as you would if you worked out 44 x 55, no? They're different numbers, but the concept is the same.

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There's little point in talking to you though, if you keep resorting when challenged to refusing to justify what you say. Just insisting its correct.

[F1er]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

Why does the principle (or reasoning) change because the positions are different?

You'd apply the same method, and use the same actions to work out 22 x 33 as you would if you worked out 44 x 55, no? They're different numbers, but the concept is the same.

Why? I told you a million times Button is obsessed with beating Lewis not with winning If he hadnt defended so hard his 1st stint would had been longer and so would had been his last and Nico wouldn't had taken 5th. That's why

[F1er]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

What about if Jenson and Lewis both have a chance of winning the wdc in the last race, jenson is first and slow, Lewis is second and faster,

Whoever finishes first wins the wdc. Now your content with Jenson holding up Lewis to win?

Some of you have made your minds up in thinking what I'm trying to say without reading what I'm saying.The answer you seek I made clear many posts ago I suggest you go find it and read it.

[FRAFPDD]

NOT THE SAME F****** THING no matter how much you try to say it is.

Im only asking why they are different? Why are they different?

How is being P1 about to get a victory and being P5 in the opening laps the same?? Teammates let faster teammates through all the time it just happens further down grid where egos are not easily bruised.

What about if Jenson and Lewis both have a chance of winning the wdc in the last race, jenson is first and slow, Lewis is second and faster,

Whoever finishes first wins the wdc. Now your content with Jenson holding up Lewis to win?

Some of you have made your minds up in thinking what I'm trying to say without reading what I'm saying.The answer you seek I made clear many posts ago I suggest you go find it and read it.

Im asking you politely and nicely now if youd give me your opinion on it, if only to save me the trouble of searching for it.

[F1er]

Justify????

It would had been in Jenson's own interest to let Lewis through! I was happy Nico took him so maybe lesson learned. Don't ruin your tires.

"We should've stayed out for longer because it made the last stint just impossible, just too many laps."

Button admitted there was nothing he could do to fend off Hamilton and Rosberg at the end.

"You're not racing anymore," he said. "You're a sitting duck. It's unbelievable, the difference in speed."

[vaptin]

Button didn't know that at the time (even if it was true), he was racing Lewis because Lewis was trying to overtake him. I'm still not sure it ruined either of their races.

Button was trying to hold Lewis up because he thought it'd be of benefit to him, probably would've worked had Button been on a 4-stop strategy. Lewis started the race on a three stop, and I think Button when he was holding Lewis off would've assumed Lewis was on a three stop as well, so they were effectively racing for position.

In his post-race interview he also said he thought McLaren pitted him too early, and there was more life in the tyres. Suggesting he didn't ruin his tyres.

[f1ea]

Here's a little one that will ring some bells:

If XXXX was so much slower than YYYY, then why was XXXX ahead??

Overtaking is easier now, if Lewis was indeed much faster he would have been able to pass without any concession.

So what's the big deal? He eventually got through, and its only the 4th race. Nobody knows exactly what strategy the others are on. You want them to race equaly or not?

c'mon, say it.

Now.... i'm out of this thread.

[F1er]

Yeah sure Hamilton the tire destroyer was going to do a 3 stopper and Jenson smooth as silk a 4 stopper. Believe what you want and I will do the same.

[What's Burning?]

He eventually got through

Which is what YYYY was unable to do.

What is it with Turkey? It's always such a boon to forum discussion, I hope they're on the calendar again next year.