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#25330
Insiders mourn loss of Alonso.

Tue 20 Nov, 02:02 PM

Spaniard was an asset to team despite bust-up with bosses.

Not everyone at McLaren is happy to see the back of Fernando Alonso, with the Spaniard's input in improving that MP4-22 rated highly among those who worked most closely with him.

According to as.com, Alonso's engineers were disappointed to see the inevitable split between driver and team after an acrimonious season that saw the double world champion clash, not only with senior management, but also with rookie team-mate Lewis Hamilton, as the Briton proved to be more than a match as 'team leader'. Putting the petty bickering aside, Alonso's contribution to the team, both on track and off, was highly rated by those who could see the team benefit from his knowledge - despite the Spaniard's own claims of having helped move the team from a winless season to championship contender, being widely derided.

"I do not understand how they have been able to let him leave," one insider, who wished to remain anonymous, said, "He is an excellent driver that has contributed a lot to the team. It is very disappointing that he is not continuing with us.

The source admitted that Alonso clearly works better as a de facto number one, hence the problems that arose when Hamilton proved to be his equal and McLaren refused to favour his senior status in pursuit of the title, but praised Alonso's season on track.

"His only problem is that he functions better - and his performance is higher - when is the leader of a team," he said, "That's how it has been in the past, when he dominated his team-mates, but, this year, he found an equal in Lewis Hamilton. But he still only had a handful of poor races - in Bahrain, against Massa in Barcelona and with his accident at Fuji."

McLaren has yet to reveal Alonso's replacement, and appears in no hurry to do so. It's decision may have suffered a hit with Williams confirmation that Nico Rosberg would remain at Grove in 2008, despite rumours that a move to McLaren could still be negotiated. Test driver Pedro de la Rosa has been mentioned as a possible fill-in to keep the team's Spanish sponsors happy, but reports claim that team boss Ron Dennis is keen to promote youth after the success he found with Hamilton.

Should Rosberg be out of the equation, Adrian Sutil and Heikki Kovalainen would appear the favourites to partner Hamilton next season, although second test driver Gary Paffett would also fall into the category, even if the Briton would be a rank outsider for the role.
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By deMuRe
#25348
"His only problem is that he functions better - and his performance is higher - when is the leader of a team," he said, "That's how it has been in the past, when he dominated his team-mates, but, this year, he found an equal in Lewis Hamilton. But he still only had a handful of poor races - in Bahrain, against Massa in Barcelona and with his accident at Fuji."


Exactly the same as Schumacher, winning an F1 race has a lot to do with your mentality and confidence.

This is why Schumacher didn't tolerate any challenges to his Authority from co-drivers, it's messy and causes problems...

After the Alonso smearing Jihad we saw in the press, no doubt fuelled by Ron Dennis, it's nice to see some people support Alonso and who knows, maybe he was part of the reason why McLaren all of sudden started doing well this year...
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By bmwpower
#25378
I don't get it, why is the source "anonymous" when its the engineers.
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By McLaren Fan
#25417
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...
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By deMuRe
#25418
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...


Maybe they are still on his payroll, he'd be pretty keen to raise his profile whilst he's looking for a drive... :wink:
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By McLaren Fan
#25420
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...


Maybe they are still on his payroll, he'd be pretty keen to raise his profile whilst he's looking for a drive... :wink:

Ah yes, the £700 each he offered to give them in exchange for their support. The mark of a real man and champion there. :lol::roll:
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By deMuRe
#25423
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...


Maybe they are still on his payroll, he'd be pretty keen to raise his profile whilst he's looking for a drive... :wink:

Ah yes, the £700 each he offered to give them in exchange for their support. The mark of a real man and champion there. :lol::roll:


I don't actually have a problem with that, it's no different to a team offering it's driver's/staff incentives for points scored...

Lewis is British AND Fast, the only response Alonso had to that off the track was money...
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By racechick
#25441

Exactly the same as Schumacher, winning an F1 race has a lot to do with your mentality and confidence.

This is why Schumacher didn't tolerate any challenges to his Authority from co-drivers, it's messy and causes problems...

...

Yep, causes problems like you dont get to win so many races or championships because you have someone else in a fast car who can often drive it better than you. :roll: Very messy business :wink:
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By McLaren Fan
#25482
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...


Maybe they are still on his payroll, he'd be pretty keen to raise his profile whilst he's looking for a drive... :wink:

Ah yes, the £700 each he offered to give them in exchange for their support. The mark of a real man and champion there. :lol::roll:


I don't actually have a problem with that, it's no different to a team offering it's driver's/staff incentives for points scored...

Lewis is British AND Fast, the only response Alonso had to that off the track was money...

Well, from the article above it would seem as though his mechanics were working pretty well from him anyway. However, how you find Alonso's actions acceptable is astounding. Alonso's mechanics are employed by McLaren and do the job to the very best of their ability. Alonso trying to buy off people in the team smacks of desperation.
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By deMuRe
#25489

Exactly the same as Schumacher, winning an F1 race has a lot to do with your mentality and confidence.

This is why Schumacher didn't tolerate any challenges to his Authority from co-drivers, it's messy and causes problems...

...

Yep, causes problems like you dont get to win so many races or championships because you have someone else in a fast car who can often drive it better than you. :roll: Very messy business :wink:


It gives clear lines of communication in a team, McLaren could have done with a bit of that in 2007, might have avoided a fine and won both championships as well... :oops:
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By deMuRe
#25490
These would be the engineers whose work wasn't rewarded with the contructors' title they deserved largely down to Alonso's behaviour...


Maybe they are still on his payroll, he'd be pretty keen to raise his profile whilst he's looking for a drive... :wink:

Ah yes, the £700 each he offered to give them in exchange for their support. The mark of a real man and champion there. :lol::roll:


I don't actually have a problem with that, it's no different to a team offering it's driver's/staff incentives for points scored...

Lewis is British AND Fast, the only response Alonso had to that off the track was money...

Well, from the article above it would seem as though his mechanics were working pretty well from him anyway. However, how you find Alonso's actions acceptable is astounding. Alonso's mechanics are employed by McLaren and do the job to the very best of their ability. Alonso trying to buy off people in the team smacks of desperation.


Yes he was desperate, I'd agree with you there, I still don't think it's a bad idea...
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By racechick
#25495

Exactly the same as Schumacher, winning an F1 race has a lot to do with your mentality and confidence.

This is why Schumacher didn't tolerate any challenges to his Authority from co-drivers, it's messy and causes problems...

...

Yep, causes problems like you dont get to win so many races or championships because you have someone else in a fast car who can often drive it better than you. :roll: Very messy business :wink:


It gives clear lines of communication in a team, McLaren could have done with a bit of that in 2007, might have avoided a fine and won both championships as well... :oops:


But McLaren dont want to win at all costs, they have integrity(maybe thats a fault :? )But the racing they produce is more exciting and fairer. The most accurate measure of ability can only be against your team mate-too many variables otherwise. If a driver is afraid of a fast team mate then his true worth cannot be measured. He is not a competitor, he is a showman-big difference.
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By deMuRe
#25499
Plenty of other drivers up and down the pitlane to compete with.

It's not fear, it's sorting your own house out so you can deal with the rest of them.

I would say it's more being organised then anything else...
#25502
Insiders mourn loss of Alonso.

Tue 20 Nov, 02:02 PM

Spaniard was an asset to team despite bust-up with bosses.

Not everyone at McLaren is happy to see the back of Fernando Alonso, with the Spaniard's input in improving that MP4-22 rated highly among those who worked most closely with him.

According to as.com, Alonso's engineers were disappointed to see the inevitable split between driver and team after an acrimonious season that saw the double world champion clash, not only with senior management, but also with rookie team-mate Lewis Hamilton, as the Briton proved to be more than a match as 'team leader'. Putting the petty bickering aside, Alonso's contribution to the team, both on track and off, was highly rated by those who could see the team benefit from his knowledge - despite the Spaniard's own claims of having helped move the team from a winless season to championship contender, being widely derided.

"I do not understand how they have been able to let him leave," one insider, who wished to remain anonymous, said, "He is an excellent driver that has contributed a lot to the team. It is very disappointing that he is not continuing with us.

The source admitted that Alonso clearly works better as a de facto number one, hence the problems that arose when Hamilton proved to be his equal and McLaren refused to favour his senior status in pursuit of the title, but praised Alonso's season on track.

"His only problem is that he functions better - and his performance is higher - when is the leader of a team," he said, "That's how it has been in the past, when he dominated his team-mates, but, this year, he found an equal in Lewis Hamilton. But he still only had a handful of poor races - in Bahrain, against Massa in Barcelona and with his accident at Fuji."

McLaren has yet to reveal Alonso's replacement, and appears in no hurry to do so. It's decision may have suffered a hit with Williams confirmation that Nico Rosberg would remain at Grove in 2008, despite rumours that a move to McLaren could still be negotiated. Test driver Pedro de la Rosa has been mentioned as a possible fill-in to keep the team's Spanish sponsors happy, but reports claim that team boss Ron Dennis is keen to promote youth after the success he found with Hamilton.

Should Rosberg be out of the equation, Adrian Sutil and Heikki Kovalainen would appear the favourites to partner Hamilton next season, although second test driver Gary Paffett would also fall into the category, even if the Briton would be a rank outsider for the role.


I tend to agree with those some people... FA's value in McLaren went beyond good driving, and in that part he went beyond LH as well. I wouldn't mind to find myself wrong, but I fear that next season will be harder for McLaren than last one was. Of course it will be hard to say is it because their 2008 car is not as competitive or because they haven't got anyone (that good) to help set it up properly.

Anyway, we will see how it goes.

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