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[Frontrunner]

I'm guessing there will now be an avalanche of support once people here come to grips with the prospect of Exor part owning F1.

(I did suggest last year that LDM may make a move on CVC/F1)

Definitely not from me, Ferrari having that much power id rather turn off the TV and watch NASCAR.

If this goes ahead I hope that FOTA leave Ferrari and start their own series.

Yep, totally agree.

[oaba09]

Isn't this possible deal a conflict of interest? Whatever happened to ethical business practice?

[billindenver]

I'm certainly no fan of Ferrari, but I don't see them doing anything dastardly behind the scenes in today's litigious world. Too much money at stake in F1, media and lawsuits would eat them alive.

Anything that gets rid of Bernie is a good thing in my book.

[Gaz]

I'm certainly no fan of Ferrari, but I don't see them doing anything dastardly behind the scenes in today's litigious world. Too much money at stake in F1, media and lawsuits would eat them alive.

Anything that gets rid of Bernie is a good thing in my book.

Why, Bernie has made the sport what it is today.

[bud]

I'm certainly no fan of Ferrari, but I don't see them doing anything dastardly behind the scenes in today's litigious world. Too much money at stake in F1, media and lawsuits would eat them alive.

Anything that gets rid of Bernie is a good thing in my book.

You havent been listening to LDM lately have you...

[billindenver]

I'm certainly no fan of Ferrari, but I don't see them doing anything dastardly behind the scenes in today's litigious world. Too much money at stake in F1, media and lawsuits would eat them alive.

Anything that gets rid of Bernie is a good thing in my book.

Why, Bernie has made the sport what it is today.

I don't like the direction he has taken it. Races in middle of nowhere countries with no fanbase and empty stands while not going to tracks with tradition and a fanbase. His BS with Indy and last but not least I think he is a greedy old coot. The teams deserve more of the pie in my mind.

[Gaz]

I'm certainly no fan of Ferrari, but I don't see them doing anything dastardly behind the scenes in today's litigious world. Too much money at stake in F1, media and lawsuits would eat them alive.

Anything that gets rid of Bernie is a good thing in my book.

Why, Bernie has made the sport what it is today.

I don't like the direction he has taken it. Races in middle of nowhere countries with no fanbase and empty stands while not going to tracks with tradition and a fanbase. His BS with Indy and last but not least I think he is a greedy old coot. The teams deserve more of the pie in my mind.

Yeh fine it was a shame to loose Indy but there's a new better GP comming.

As for the Asian/Arab races they will happen no matter what because the sponsors and the money is there.

CVC say its not for sale and i doubt the teams will want the reduced exposure from pay per view.

[vaptin]

Can't see the E.U allowing a team to have some sort of ownership in a competition they're directly involved in.

Any Exor/NewsCorp bid for F1 faces serious challenges. The Concorde Agreement, the contract by which all 12 teams currently agree to race in F1, stipulates that the sport will be shown on free-to-air television wherever possible, thus preventing Murdoch from showing F1 on Sky exclusively in the UK. Nor, at present, is a team owner allowed to control the sport. Exor's links to Ferrari via Fiat raises serious questions on that basis too. However, the agreement is up for renewal at the end of next year and the rules could change.

It seems its still in the speculating stage,

[What's Burning?]

The value of sponsorship in F1 is that they get to reach a phenomenally broad global target audience. Moving the focus to a pay per view model would greatly condense the F1 audience into a very elite class of consumer, but it would also greatly dilute the value/ROI of the sponsors that negotiate product placement logos directly with the teams.

In other words, pay per view can work well for a promoter and a content provider, but not well at all for a sponsor. Look at professional boxing and what moving to a pay per view model did for the global popularity of the sport.

[bud]

wow a conversation with Gaz Bill and myself that stayed civil.

[What's Burning?]

^^ imagine if it became habitual.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

How do you know when sour cream has gone bad? By the same token, how do you know when an aging eccentric millionaire becomes a doddering old fool? That's the Ecclestone paradox.

Bernie has believed it his mandate since rising to the station of El Supremo to control the costs of competing in F1. He came to power out of the FISA/FOCA war, which was the greatest period of technological upheaval in the sport's history. And Bernie, then as now, fears the sport being dominated by advances in technology rather than by driving skill. Through the years he has grown visibly more fearful of the sport being overwhelmed by men with horn-rimmed spectacles and giant computers.

But the foreseeable consequence of all the restrictions he has imposed (or at the very least shepherded) is the "sameness" that characterizes the modern F1 car. When next a discussion breaks out of why overtaking has become so difficult in F1, the one word answer to that question is: Bernie.

We saw much the same from Enzo Ferrari. He became something of a Luddite in his declining years, and his car company's market share suffered for it. Provided they live long enough, everyone experiences a mental decline. Everyone. The only question now is whether Bernie's sour cream has gone to yogurt.

[darwin dali]

How do you know when sour cream has gone bad? By the same token, how do you know when an aging eccentric millionaire becomes a doddering old fool? That's the Ecclestone paradox.

Bernie has believed it his mandate since rising to the station of El Supremo to control the costs of competing in F1. He came to power out of the FISA/FOCA war, which was the greatest period of technological upheaval in the sport's history. And Bernie, then as now, fears the sport being dominated by advances in technology rather than by driving skill. Through the years he has grown visibly more fearful of the sport being overwhelmed by men with horn-rimmed spectacles and giant computers.

But the foreseeable consequence of all the restrictions he has imposed (or at the very least shepherded) is the "sameness" that characterizes the modern F1 car. When next a discussion breaks out of why overtaking has become so difficult in F1, the one word answer to that question is: Bernie.

We saw much the same from Enzo Ferrari. He became something of a Luddite in his declining years, and his car company's market share suffered for it. Provided they live long enough, everyone experiences a mental decline. Everyone. The only question now is whether Bernie's sour cream has gone to yogurt.

I think it's beyond yogurt - it's gotten to cottage cheese by now.

[f1ea]

wow a conversation with Gaz Bill and myself that stayed civil.

because nobody mentioned video games that's the touchy subject around here

Bernie's done some ok things and some kinda poor; but i think the worst he's done is the outrageous profits the commercial shareholders receive compared to the teams and everyone else involved; but of course he (and his investors) might disagree with my views

[billindenver]

wow a conversation with Gaz Bill and myself that stayed civil.

It's only page 3....give it time. Like a proper ball bearing turbo, these things can take time to spool up. Admit it, it's kinda boring this way isn't it?



Peace

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