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[McLaren]

The Queens presence in G8 summits, meeting prime minister, signing off a new goernment is merely a formality, not even that, just a tradition.

If she were to technically refuse to sign, shed probably by law have to abdicate. She really doesnt have any power full stop, just a figurehead.

You are quite wrong on a lot of this. In a number of cases in practice the Crown doesn't interfere and does things only on advice of the Prime Minister / Attorney General / Other Senior Ministers etc. However the Crown is still the head of all armed forces in the UK. Also, quite the opposite to what you asserted, if the Queen refused to pass Royal Assent on any Bill put before her rather than her having to abdicate, in fact it would be the entire Government that would resign.

If there was a serious situation such as a hung parliament that cannot be resolved, the Queen has the authority to put anybody in place as Prime Minister that she sees fit. This is a very complex situation, more than can be discussed on a forum like this.

Also, as she has Royal Immunity, if she wanted to kill you with her bare hands (assuming she had the strength to do so), there is absolutely nothing whatsoever the law could do about it - she cannot be prosecuted for any criminal offence - that is a power / right that would not be challenged - not even in our modern times.

I've lectured Constitutional and Administrative Law since 2007 at university, it's a hugely interesting and also difficult area to understand in full.

I just disagree, i dont personally see it as a two sided argument, Its near fact IMO (ironically lol) shes just a formality.

I respect your well versed in it but im purely going on what i was taught by someone who has also studied it, and whilst not at a university level teaches it too.

Always told she was not powerful, and i cant see anything proof-wise to suggest anything else.

Like you said " in a number of cases in practice the crown does not interfere" Well what im saying, that nobody seems to understand, probably through fault of my verbal reasoning , its all just a formality. Just a formality. The Queen is head of the post, revenue and customs, etc. Doesnt mean anythig other then a bit of history.

Lol, well obviously I can't stop you believing what you choose to believe - I could tell you the grass is green and if you choose to say it's blue, there's not much I can do if you've made up your mind... All I can do is tell you that you are completely wrong... Hopefully you'll appreciate that as I say, I'm now in my fifth year teaching constitutional law to both 2nd year and honours level undergraduate students on modules that I share with one of the eminent authority figures relating to constitutional law and administrative law in the UK - he has half a dozen textbooks published on the subject covering the UK and wrote the current and last edition associated chapters on constitutional and armed forces law in the Stair Memorial Encyclopedia (THE authoritative and highest level text on Administrative law in Scotland bar none). But hey - I suppose if a 19/20 year old who isn't qualified in the area tries to tell me they're right I should forget all that...

I aprecciated what you said right up until you became that which you mock, a teenager who resulted to petulance.... Poor form from a lecturer i must say.


I never tried to tell you your wrong, I also think youll find the Question at hand is ' Does the Queen have any power' whether or not you think so, telling me im wrong is totally out of order, what we're arguing is by definition a matter of opinion, i'd appreciate if youd pretend im 40 years old so that you might treat me with some common decency please. Or is that too much to ask, and so i cover my tracks... Please dont reply by worming this into being my fault, its not, ive had to waste 5 lines just trying to keep it civil because you have some sort of verbal reasoning deficiency. Also, you decided to create this topic within this thread by challenging my idea , which isnt wrong in itself, but you also said " theres no way it can be fully covered in a forum" in regards to said topic. so.........


I dont believe the Queen has any power. What your saying might be right, it is right, she can say no, and refuse to sign, and dissolve parliament, but there are lengthy processes to this not least because it is a given that she signs whatever is handed to her without fail. Politicians and the like are still asking this question, and somewhere there are the laws that say the Queen can do this and that, or only under these exceptions. She cant just willy-nilly refuse to sign and hold the country ransom cause shes the top dog in a lot of national organisations.

ROFL so you say the queen has no power and you expect to be taken serous ?
One of the main reasons i believe we should always have the royal family is so that we could never have a crazy dictator come into power.

God save the queen

[zurich_allan]

FRAFPDD - the issue isn't that you're a teenager, I'd happily accept a twelve year old telling me I'm wrong on an issue if they had the education on the specific matter to back it up. Also, my points were hardly in the form of a petulant teenager - I'll leave that to when you look in the mirror. You have a masive chip on your shoulder about your age - I've seen it again and again on the forum. What it relates to is somebody who has surface information on an issue that wants to argue with me, when I've got years and years of education, some of which directly relates to this subject, and teach it. My colleague who designs the curriculum in the modules is the authoritative figure in Scotland on the area, and one of the authoritative figures in the UK.

Here's an analogy for you - I've got a big book of anatomy sitting on my shelf, and I have a fairly decent knowledge of how the human body works because it's something I've always had an interest in. The question is, would I walk into a hospital theatre in the middle of an operation and say 'right boys, I'll take it from here!'?? Of course I wouldn't! That would be insane! Because I accept that the people working in that field, that interact with the subject matter every day of their lives know MUCH more than me in that area, and more than I EVER will.

The same rings true of an engineer in a F1 team, I would NEVER walk into a garage and proclaim I know more or could do a better job than them.

The law is no different than this. It's like the sea, you can see the surface just by looking and all might seem calm, but there's so much more underneath that you don't learn about until you dive right in and go to the depths. I find it incredibly insulting that you think with no experience whatsoever in this area that you have the audacity to continue arguing! I certainly don't know it all about everything, I never will proclaim to. What I WILL happily admit is that I do know MY area of expertise extremely well, and definitely more than you.

All I can say is that clearly the others are right who have posted here, your couple of weeks of good behaviour have clearly ended and you're right back into your know-it-all frame of mind. Well let me give you a wake up call - you DON'T know it all. It might be hard for you to accept, but sometimes - just sometimes - someone might know more than you on a specific matter. Sometimes you just have to accept that and move on.

Jesus Christ, why am I even bothering, clearly you're going to come back with yet more over the top, arrogant nonsense. I've said it to you before, weeks ago in a PM, and now I'm going to say it in public, you need to calm yourself down - you're far too argumentative and don't come across at all well on the forum. You're clearly passionate about F1 and have a lot to offer, but don't get yourself bogged down dragging debates into arguments and end up getting yourself banned one day for something stupid that you could avoid. The forum needs your input and the input of those like you, but it certainly doesn't need your ongoing arguments. Look at the common point in all of the threads that tend to descend to arguing - regardless of all of the other members that might individually get involved in different threads, the one constant is you... that tells you something...

[FRAFPDD]

FRAFPDD - the issue isn't that you're a teenager, I'd happily accept a twelve year old telling me I'm wrong on an issue if they had the education on the specific matter to back it up. Also, my points were hardly in the form of a petulant teenager - I'll leave that to when you look in the mirror. You have a masive chip on your shoulder about your age - I've seen it again and again on the forum. What it relates to is somebody who has surface information on an issue that wants to argue with me, when I've got years and years of education, some of which directly relates to this subject, and teach it. My colleague who designs the curriculum in the modules is the authoritative figure in Scotland on the area, and one of the authoritative figures in the UK.

Well the issue clearly is Mr Uni Degree " But hell some 19/20 year old teenager clearly knows better" You dont need to have reached 3 years of age to see that is an insult my friend, and you highlighted it as an issue, NOTHING in my post was argumentatie and we had a pretty good debate going, even your final post before it kicked off it was civil, before you just "blew it" with the last line, insulting me for my age!? Id been listening quite intently to everything your saying thanks very much, and numerous times has my opinion been changed on here, i was more then willing for you to change my view, you were, then you gave me a subtle insult, no need.

Here's an analogy for you - I've got a big book of anatomy sitting on my shelf, and I have a fairly decent knowledge of how the human body works because it's something I've always had an interest in. The question is, would I walk into a hospital theatre in the middle of an operation and say 'right boys, I'll take it from here!'?? Of course I wouldn't! That would be insane! Because I accept that the people working in that field, that interact with the subject matter every day of their lives know MUCH more than me in that area, and more than I EVER will.
The same rings true of an engineer in a F1 team, I would NEVER walk into a garage and proclaim I know more or could do a better job than them

Yeah and the moment you said it i sat up and took a bit more notice then i would anyone else. But then someone whos job is to teach a very high level let alone in the specified subject, resorted to insults to a post-a level 19 year old, just what is the point?

The law is no different than this. It's like the sea, you can see the surface just by looking and all might seem calm, but there's so much more underneath that you don't learn about until you dive right in and go to the depths. I find it incredibly insulting that you think with no experience whatsoever in this area that you have the audacity to continue arguing! I certainly don't know it all about everything, I never will proclaim to. What I WILL happily admit is that I do know MY area of expertise extremely well, and definitely more than you

And i can still happily admit your more understanding of it then i will ever be, but i have been taught about the question directly, from someone who is Uni taught and teaches it. Im going purely on what he explained, i did say this, my experience isnt non-existant, i have studied it at some level, infact the level just before Uni. Your the one getting vicious cause i had the "audacity" to argue my point. I have to ask, have you ever EVER, complained about how crap Gordon Brown was, how bad the Conservatives are etc, if you can honestly say you havent, your true to your word, if you have, then youve contradicted yourself. They know twice as well as anyone who to run a country. But we all like to have an opinion dont we?

All I can say is that clearly the others are right who have posted here, your couple of weeks of good behaviour have clearly ended and you're right back into your know-it-all frame of mind. Well let me give you a wake up call - you DON'T know it all. It might be hard for you to accept, but sometimes - just sometimes - someone might know more than you on a specific matter. Sometimes you just have to accept that and move on.

Ah yes, the. What 56th test ive had of that thread, ive blocked the people that will do nothing but argue with me and having read their blocked post see them still trying to get a rise out of me, your no different, Not to mention theres at least a forumner and a mod who agree im not as bad as i was, and nothing you say about that matters to me. Your also ignorant to the fact from what i can remember from my time here im the only one ive ever seen that has outright within a thread publicly accepted im wrong, id be MORE then willing to admit what i know in that you are right, there look said it, if you werent acting like a child, cause you really are IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, hiding behind your usual objectivity and good nature to make petty insults at me.

Jesus Christ, why am I even bothering, clearly you're going to come back with yet more over the top, arrogant nonsense. I've said it to you before, weeks ago in a PM, and now I'm going to say it in public, you need to calm yourself down - you're far too argumentative and don't come across at all well on the forum. You're clearly passionate about F1 and have a lot to offer, but don't get yourself bogged down dragging debates into arguments and end up getting yourself banned one day for something stupid that you could avoid. The forum needs your input and the input of those like you, but it certainly doesn't need your ongoing arguments. Look at the common point in all of the threads that tend to descend to arguing - regardless of all of the other members that might individually get involved in different threads, the one constant is you... that tells you something...

Would this " over the top arrogant response nonsense" result in me admitting im wrong? Oh...........

Too argumentative? I was, i have changed it, i KNOW i have, so no matter how much the inflammatory posters on here try to change it, i KNOW it, you telling me otherwise doesnt mean a thing to me, i know im better then i was, and i can only improve.
Id like to think your genuinely attempting in that last post to try and stear me clear of being banned, but its totally against the grain of the rest of your post.

This is the last post before ill reply to you in PM, because i dont need nor want this palava over absolutely nothing.

[What's Burning?]

That's one hell of a royal "first kiss".

[acosmichippo]

I so want to write a caption that says "it's good to be the King".

Too bad.

[What's Burning?]

FRAFPDD - the issue isn't that you're a teenager, I'd happily accept a twelve year old telling me I'm wrong on an issue if they had the education on the specific matter to back it up. Also, my points were hardly in the form of a petulant teenager - I'll leave that to when you look in the mirror. You have a masive chip on your shoulder about your age - I've seen it again and again on the forum. What it relates to is somebody who has surface information on an issue that wants to argue with me, when I've got years and years of education, some of which directly relates to this subject, and teach it. My colleague who designs the curriculum in the modules is the authoritative figure in Scotland on the area, and one of the authoritative figures in the UK.

Well the issue clearly is Mr Uni Degree " But hell some 19/20 year old teenager clearly knows better" You dont need to have reached 3 years of age to see that is an insult my friend, and you highlighted it as an issue, NOTHING in my post was argumentatie and we had a pretty good debate going, even your final post before it kicked off it was civil, before you just "blew it" with the last line, insulting me for my age!? Id been listening quite intently to everything your saying thanks very much, and numerous times has my opinion been changed on here, i was more then willing for you to change my view, you were, then you gave me a subtle insult, no need.

Here's an analogy for you - I've got a big book of anatomy sitting on my shelf, and I have a fairly decent knowledge of how the human body works because it's something I've always had an interest in. The question is, would I walk into a hospital theatre in the middle of an operation and say 'right boys, I'll take it from here!'?? Of course I wouldn't! That would be insane! Because I accept that the people working in that field, that interact with the subject matter every day of their lives know MUCH more than me in that area, and more than I EVER will.
The same rings true of an engineer in a F1 team, I would NEVER walk into a garage and proclaim I know more or could do a better job than them

Yeah and the moment you said it i sat up and took a bit more notice then i would anyone else. But then someone whos job is to teach a very high level let alone in the specified subject, resorted to insults to a post-a level 19 year old, just what is the point?

The law is no different than this. It's like the sea, you can see the surface just by looking and all might seem calm, but there's so much more underneath that you don't learn about until you dive right in and go to the depths. I find it incredibly insulting that you think with no experience whatsoever in this area that you have the audacity to continue arguing! I certainly don't know it all about everything, I never will proclaim to. What I WILL happily admit is that I do know MY area of expertise extremely well, and definitely more than you

And i can still happily admit your more understanding of it then i will ever be, but i have been taught about the question directly, from someone who is Uni taught and teaches it. Im going purely on what he explained, i did say this, my experience isnt non-existant, i have studied it at some level, infact the level just before Uni. Your the one getting vicious cause i had the "audacity" to argue my point. I have to ask, have you ever EVER, complained about how crap Gordon Brown was, how bad the Conservatives are etc, if you can honestly say you havent, your true to your word, if you have, then youve contradicted yourself. They know twice as well as anyone who to run a country. But we all like to have an opinion dont we?

All I can say is that clearly the others are right who have posted here, your couple of weeks of good behaviour have clearly ended and you're right back into your know-it-all frame of mind. Well let me give you a wake up call - you DON'T know it all. It might be hard for you to accept, but sometimes - just sometimes - someone might know more than you on a specific matter. Sometimes you just have to accept that and move on.

Ah yes, the. What 56th test ive had of that thread, ive blocked the people that will do nothing but argue with me and having read their blocked post see them still trying to get a rise out of me, your no different, Not to mention theres at least a forumner and a mod who agree im not as bad as i was, and nothing you say about that matters to me. Your also ignorant to the fact from what i can remember from my time here im the only one ive ever seen that has outright within a thread publicly accepted im wrong, id be MORE then willing to admit what i know in that you are right, there look said it, if you werent acting like a child, cause you really are IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, hiding behind your usual objectivity and good nature to make petty insults at me.

Jesus Christ, why am I even bothering, clearly you're going to come back with yet more over the top, arrogant nonsense. I've said it to you before, weeks ago in a PM, and now I'm going to say it in public, you need to calm yourself down - you're far too argumentative and don't come across at all well on the forum. You're clearly passionate about F1 and have a lot to offer, but don't get yourself bogged down dragging debates into arguments and end up getting yourself banned one day for something stupid that you could avoid. The forum needs your input and the input of those like you, but it certainly doesn't need your ongoing arguments. Look at the common point in all of the threads that tend to descend to arguing - regardless of all of the other members that might individually get involved in different threads, the one constant is you... that tells you something...

Would this " over the top arrogant response nonsense" result in me admitting im wrong? Oh...........

Too argumentative? I was, i have changed it, i KNOW i have, so no matter how much the inflammatory posters on here try to change it, i KNOW it, you telling me otherwise doesnt mean a thing to me, i know im better then i was, and i can only improve.
Id like to think your genuinely attempting in that last post to try and stear me clear of being banned, but its totally against the grain of the rest of your post.

This is the last post before ill reply to you in PM, because i dont need nor want this palava over absolutely nothing.

This continued discussion no longer belongs on the thread. Please take do it to PM.

[darwin dali]

Those Brits - fighting about some old lady! Cougar Town anybody?

[F1er]

Ohhh honey,yes yes right there,mmmmmm you got it,you're such a freak,thats why I married you.

Here hun....................wipe it off

[F1er]

Zurich Allan;
Never argue with an idiot.They'll bring you to their level and beat you with experience.

[texasmr2]

It was a great event imho and I watched the broadcast for about 12hr's. Kate is a goddess and I think Will's made a good choice because he did test her for almost a decade. All in all I'm very happy for the Royal Family as Prince William and Prince Harry have shown that they are more than worthy of bringing the monarchy into the 21st century. The Queen has also tested Kate and found her suitable for the position, all in all she has seen the future of the monarchy in William and Harry (thanks to Diana ) so I'm very happy.

One thing that I really enjoy (and get's me alittle misty) is seeing them both carry on their mothers work for the impoverished around the world. A great future for the family I think and that makes me very happy.

[darwin dali]

The Queen has also tested Kate and found her suitable for the position, all in all she has seen the future of the monarchy in William and Harry (thanks to Diana ) so I'm very happy.

Hm, the position? Like the one in the pic above?

[Rivelution]

I think princess Kate is one sexy woman...

[texasmr2]

The Queen has also tested Kate and found her suitable for the position, all in all she has seen the future of the monarchy in William and Harry (thanks to Diana ) so I'm very happy.

Hm, the position? Like the one in the pic above?

Well I did not want too say anything but....

I think princess Kate is one sexy woman...

Her smile is really my favorite 'out of touch' aspect, yummy.

[vlad]

Lol, have you seen the funny photos some photographer made with doublers?

[Rivelution]

I think princess Kate is one sexy woman...

Her smile is really my favorite 'out of touch' aspect, yummy.

She's looks yummy all around. Her sister is a knockout too.