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WHICH OF THE TEAMMATES WILL HAVE MORE POINTS AT THE END OF 2011 ?

Sebastian Vettel - Red Bull
35
20%
Mark Webber - Red Bull
8
5%
Fernando Alonso - Ferrari
40
23%
Felipe Massa - Ferrari
3
2%
Lewis Hamilton - Mclaren
29
17%
Jenson Button - Mclaren
15
9%
Nico Rosberg - Mercedes
29
17%
Michael Schumacher - Mercedes
12
7%
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By FRAFPDD
#253553
As predicted, all seems to be....predictable.

The least predictable at this stage is surprisingly, Ferrari. Unfortunately for Ferrari, their No.2 has outperformed their No.1 for 2/3 races. What a dilemma. Long may it continue. :clap::thumbup:


hmmm i dont see any of it. I havent seen a single race where Massa has OUTPERFORMED Alonso. They may be close, but not once has Massa outperformed him. I'm sure its what most of you would like to see... even some team orders (interestingly, the same stuff you all opposed)... but sorry, seems like Ferrari will have to issue an apology to mclaren fans for not pleasing them ;) and we'll see after turkey if they will be able to mount the fight.

Personally, i dont care who's ahead. But if the car has issues, they will both be a bit downfaced. And it shows.

Also, Jenson and Lewis seem very close, the only reason jenson is behind is due to a couple uncharacteristic mistakes by Jenson. Although lewis might have got him anyways in China... dont know about that one. But still, closer than last yr, and Jenson has been much better than last yr in Q.

Vettel and Webber, well the thing is Vettel is being in a world of his own. Webber's had some mistakes and issues.... but Vettel has been amazing.

Schumacher and Nico.... no question there. MS has been simply outperformed so far.


Although Massas been ahead of Alonso in all 3/3 races this year, only ending up behind in the single one cause he spent too much time fighting off button in australia. Evident to me at least that theyre at least around the same pace, some wont accept that cause of Massas 2010, but he did say numerous times its the hard fronts warming up, now they warm up hes a good driver again. Its not as if its impossible for Massa to beat Alonso, he beat Hamilton numerous times before and Kimi. Hes just doing better this year so far, simple as that. Alonso has DRS and overtaking ability, so putting it down to Massas race starts getting ahead is pointless, if that were the case Alonso would have passed him at some point in both Malaysia and China.
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By f1ea
#253555
^^ i'm not saying its impossible for Massa to beat Alonso BTW... i'm saying so far it hasn't happened.

But yeah, Massa's 2010 was uncharacteristic. Anyway... that yr's forgotten ;) he looks sharper now. If the F italia gets better, he should deliver some good results. Enough to beat alonso? i dont know; I dont think so. Alonso is still a bit better.

I wouldn't be so harsh on Schumacher , he's had reliability problems in qualifying.


sure, but Nico's been simply better all around. I'm not being harsh on Schu, he's improved, and they are both a little closer; but Nico is a little bit ahead of him at the moment. However... i dont think Nico would have been able to defend so well against Alonso and Kobayashi as MS has fought. But that's a different story. Performance-wise, nico is a bit ahead.
#253571
i dont think Nico would have been able to defend so well against Alonso and Kobayashi as MS has fought. But that's a different story. Performance-wise, nico is a bit ahead.


:hehe: I guess that's the catch 22... he didn't have to defend because he was ahead!
#253584
Michael Schumacher is past his prime. It's as simple as that. Times have moved on, and the younger generation of racers, including Rosberg, are simply more up to it these days...
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By Hansy
#253587
Actually Schumacher is faring better in comparison this season than the previous one; you may forget it because of last race's result, but Rosberg was nowhere to be seen in Sepang, while Schumacher was fighting his way out. But yes, nothing extraordinary.
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By bud
#253589
^^ i'm not saying its impossible for Massa to beat Alonso BTW... i'm saying so far it hasn't happened.


Well Massa has been ahead of him at every race after the race starts. Alonso doesnt seem to know how to start races anymore.


And China Massa clearly beat Alonso did he not? :confused:
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By f1ea
#253600
i dont think Nico would have been able to defend so well against Alonso and Kobayashi as MS has fought. But that's a different story. Performance-wise, nico is a bit ahead.


:hehe: I guess that's the catch 22... he didn't have to defend because he was ahead!


hehe yes, that's why its 'a different story'... too much to even go into all that for a conclusion.....

^^ i'm not saying its impossible for Massa to beat Alonso BTW... i'm saying so far it hasn't happened.


Well Massa has been ahead of him at every race after the race starts. Alonso doesnt seem to know how to start races anymore.

And China Massa clearly beat Alonso did he not? :confused:


and yet Alonso is still ahead in the standings. So can you say Massa is beating Alonso? Jenson finished ahead in Sepang... is jenson beating Lewis? its one race after all...

But you see, what i mean is no matter who's finished where in which race... you can't say either of them is beating the other. Almost the same in Mclaren: without the Lewis win, they would be pretty much equal; very equal in Q and reasonably similar in the races.

Red Bull, and to me also in Mercedes its a different story. A bit clearer who is being better than the other. Although webber definitely got a good boost after China. Great lesson learnt there: it aint over til its over.
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By bud
#253601
I was just saying Massa beat him after you said it hasnt happened yet! I didn't know you were referring to overall, you should have said Massa isn't beating him yet... :P and on comparing I don't see Qualifying as important in comparing team mates as Lewis showed race tyre strategy affecting ultimate qualifying pace will become common with everyone this year.
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By f1ea
#253602
I was just saying Massa beat him after you said it hasnt happened yet! I didn't know you were referring to overall, you should have said Massa isn't beating him yet... :P


haha hey! dont confuse me here.... ;)

and on comparing I don't see Qualifying as important in comparing team mates as Lewis showed race tyre strategy affecting ultimate qualifying pace will become common with everyone this year.


well Q only gives a bit of an idea about who's running a bit better or struggling a little on the track. I know its even less important now, but more or less gives an idea. Anyhow, that's over now because like you said, everyone will pretty likely go conservative for Q3 now.

MAYBE there will be interesting twists with Renault, Force india, Sauber or maybe even Mercedes... might risk the extra set of options for a stronger grid position. Who knows, it could pay off. Could be interesting to watch on a tough track to overtake like Hungary, Monaco or barcelona.
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By bud
#253604
I think with DRS zones in Budapest and Barcelona there will be passing on the main straight, Monaco is always an exception to most discussions about overtaking :hehe:
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#253623
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By F1er
#253656
As predicted, all seems to be....predictable.

The least predictable at this stage is surprisingly, Ferrari. Unfortunately for Ferrari, their No.2 has outperformed their No.1 for 2/3 races. What a dilemma. Long may it continue. :clap::thumbup:


hmmm i dont see any of it. I havent seen a single race where Massa has OUTPERFORMED Alonso. They may be close, but not once has Massa outperformed him. I'm sure its what most of you would like to see....

Hmmmmm
Alonso has finished LOWER than where he started all 3 races,while Massa has finished HIGHER.
Alonso's starts have been piss poor,while Massa's have been fantastic. THUS outperforming Alonso.
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