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[FRAFPDD]

Your assuming Alonso used it, Alonsos car used it, if Alonso pressed the button to do it then a penalty persists. If its anything less then theres no reason to punish him for it.

If a car is under weight, does it not get DQ'd? If a car's wing doesn't meet the regulation a la Sauber did they not get DQ'd? Why would it matter that the issue is a problem with the car? Whether it was the car or Alonso, it happened, it's illegal, and it gets a DQ. I'd be the first one to admit that it would be a drastic and tough punishment, but otherwise what is a rule for?

The thing is some rules are to the discretion of the stewards, as such i dont see if we're assuming neither Alonso or Ferrari set that wing off, why he deserves to be penalised.

[vaptin]

Story coming soon on on bbc.co.uk/f1 with explanation for Fernando Alonso's moveable rear wing (DRS) activating in a forbidden place

Andrew Benson
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... efault.stm

So Sauber's claim that they gained no advantage from their DQ... I guess the rules are applied differently because it happened to Ferrari.

Something smells fishy and I think it's Ferrari's girlfriend, the FIA.

I was with Sauber, but I realise its not about me - hard to take but nevermind.

A one off fault, is different to having the car entering all events and being illegal. The FIA just didn't want to work out if there was an advantage or not, because allowing that to stand would lead to every other technical innovation that was illegal requiring proof it causes an advantage. The car entered was illegal, a car doing some illegal at one point in the race is different. Drivers are normally let of for errors if they don't bother anyone else, its illegal to cross the white lines isn't it? No one really minds if a driver over runs a corner.

[What's Burning?]

From what I understand there is only one way to deploy the DRS and that is to push a button. The way to turn it off is to hit the brakes. It is designed to work in a closed position in fail safe.

[bud]

I didnt see it activate, where did it happen? Was he chasing someone?

Yeah Schumi

[vaptin]

My interpretation is they're not blaming him, from the looks of it, something went wrong with registering which area was DRS enabled, Alonso's opened late, and stayed open late before closing.

It didn't open when it was supposed to, I guess Alonso might have jabbed the button when he realised.

[FRAFPDD]

From what I understand there is only one way to deploy the DRS and that is to push a button. The way to turn it off is to hit the brakes. It is designed to work in a closed position in fail safe.

Aha! One way to " deploy" the button yes, but for it to go off itself......they dont deserve repurcussions for that.

Moreover, sauber designed their car to be illegal by definition, that DRS mucking about isnt anyones fault.

[Denthúl]

From what I understand there is only one way to deploy the DRS and that is to push a button. The way to turn it off is to hit the brakes. It is designed to work in a closed position in fail safe.

Yes, but as far as I'm aware, they can press the button prior to passing the activation point, with the flap simply not opening until they cross it.

From what I understand there is only one way to deploy the DRS and that is to push a button. The way to turn it off is to hit the brakes. It is designed to work in a closed position in fail safe.

Aha! One way to " deploy" the button yes, but for it to go off itself......they dont deserve repurcussions for that.

Moreover, sauber designed their car to be illegal by definition, that DRS mucking about isnt anyones fault.

To be fair, they didn't design it to be illegal, they just didn't catch a manufacturing defect which was outside permissible limits.

[FRAFPDD]

But intentional or not, they did design it to be illegal, they had the allowed measurements, they designed a car against them, they made their car illegal.


This DRS seemed to have set off by itself. Could have been something to do with an elbow on a button in race control!

[bud]

But intentional or not, they did design it to be illegal, they had the allowed measurements, they designed a car against them, they made their car illegal.


This DRS seemed to have set off by itself. Could have been something to do with an elbow on a button in race control!

haha na the zone for which it would work was 300m out of whack for Alonso. No elbow accidental button hit. What id like to know is A. did it go down after he broke and Did he deploy it again on the next straight or B. it just stayed open through the corner?

If A is correct then malfunction or not, Alonso would have been using it illegally once being aware of the malfunction

[vaptin]

But intentional or not, they did design it to be illegal, they had the allowed measurements, they designed a car against them, they made their car illegal.

Not according to Sauber, it was manufactured illegally, they didn't ask for it to be so.

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Whilst we're on penalties, nothing for Jenson's pit lane madness? He did hold up Vettel who came out in traffic I think that might have otherwise been cleared.

[f1ea]

Wow i didnt see that coming... Webber.. Wow wtf

a bit of a confusing race, never really when lewis passed jenson, and dunno why alonso lost 2secs on his 1st stop

I also saw it was sutil turning into perez

Anyway it was a very good race, merc does have really good pace, now all they need is a bit better tire longevity...

Lewis was darned fast on his last stint, or was everydody else just that slow?
MassA looked set for podium but the ferrari was so slow... At least alonso and schumacher gave a nice show, and also vs petrov i think, pretty pass.

[What's Burning?]

Re reading what's available now, either they have to penalize Alonso for it, or there is something SERIOUSLY wrong with the system and therefore should be scratched. There is nothing else that would suffice without it being a distinct bend of the rules.

[What's Burning?]

Wow i didnt see that coming... Webber.. Wow wtf

a bit of a confusing race, never really when lewis passed jenson, and dunno why alonso lost 2secs on his 1st stop

I also saw it was sutil turning into perez

Anyway it was a very good race, merc does have really good pace, now all they need is a bit better tire longevity...

Lewis was darned fast on his last stint, or was everydody else just that slow?
MassA looked set for podium but the ferrari was so slow... At least alonso and schumacher gave a nice show, and also vs petrov i think, pretty pass.

I agree, Lewis was that fast, he passed everyone that he needed to pass, including his teammate.

[bud]

He did hold up Vettel who came out in traffic I think that might have otherwise been cleared.

I just watched it again on youtube, looked like Vettel didnt lose any time. It hurt Jenson more than Seb.

I also saw it was sutil turning into perez

No way Perez was dreaming with that move!

[vaptin]

But intentional or not, they did design it to be illegal, they had the allowed measurements, they designed a car against them, they made their car illegal.


This DRS seemed to have set off by itself. Could have been something to do with an elbow on a button in race control!

haha na the zone for which it would work was 300m out of whack for Alonso. No elbow accidental button hit. What id like to know is A. did it go down after he broke and Did he deploy it again on the next straight or B. it just stayed open through the corner?

If A is correct then malfunction or not, Alonso would have been using it illegally once being aware of the malfunction

It's unlikely Alonso would've hit the button again, if it went down during the corner he probably assumed it had cut out.

It also closed before he braked I think (when it was open after the hairpin)? If he opened it illegally he would've kept it open for the duration. I can't recall a deactivation zone, its until the driver brakes or hits the override.

The driver may only activate the adjustable bodywork in the race when he has been notified via the control
electronics (see Article 8.2) that it is enabled. It will only be enabled if the driver is less than one second
behind another at any of the pre-determined positions around each circuit. The system will be disabled by
the control electronics the first time the driver uses the brakes after he has activated the system.
The FIA may, after consulting all competitors, adjust the above time proximity in order to ensure the stated
purpose of the adjustable bodywork is met.

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules ... 2/fia.html,

See the part in bold, that suggests the activation zone isn't relevant for punishment. If the DRS button lights up, you can open it.