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[myownalias]

So Lewis has to be "Perfect" to win WDC? While Seb crashes left and right and has a ton of failures and still came on top and won WDC.
The MP4-24/25 were not WDC contenders by a long shot.It was Lewis' aggressivnes that took him far and if he had an on par car he wouldn't need to be. Jenson drove mistake free and see where that got him.

No; I never said he had to be perfect but he had a shot of the title before his collisions that cost him good points hauls and set him adrift of the title leaders, that was not the teams fault! The 2010 McLaren was a championship contender; both drivers were in with a shot of the title during the season run in. Yes Hamilton's aggressiveness helped his cause but the car still has to be capable of producing wins; no-one can out drive the car; that driver is simply maximising the potential of the car! So therefore the McLaren was a world championship contend car!

[F1er]

So Lewis has to be "Perfect" to win WDC? While Seb crashes left and right and has a ton of failures and still came on top and won WDC.
The MP4-24/25 were not WDC contenders by a long shot.It was Lewis' aggressivnes that took him far and if he had an on par car he wouldn't need to be. Jenson drove mistake free and see where that got him.

No; I never said he had to be perfect but he had a shot of the title before his collisions that cost him good points hauls and set him adrift of the title leaders, that was not the teams fault! The 2010 McLaren was a championship contender; both drivers were in with a shot of the title during the season run in. Yes Hamilton's aggressiveness helped his cause but the car still has to be capable of producing wins; no-one can out drive the car; that driver is simply maximising the potential of the car! So therefore the McLaren was a world championship contend car!

Very rarely has a championship contending car not won the WDC because of 1 driver collision.
2010 was RBR's to lose,and I never got the impression that Mac was ever better than RB,heck even Ferrari the 2nd half,as Massa scored very fewer points then both Lewis and Jenson.
It's very hard to win when 3other cars are better than yours,while at the same time beating your WDC teammate. It's simply unrealistic.

I for one know what Lewis can do with a great car
Do you?

[myownalias]

I for one know what Lewis can do with a great car
Do you?

Most drivers on the grid could win a world title with a great car. I may not like Hamilton but I appreciate his driving skill; I dislike him for the constant complaining instead of helping the team overcome their issues, putting all that negative press out there will not help the car go faster! As I said previously, no driver can outperform the car underneath him, Hamilton can extract more out of a poorly performing car than many drivers, I am not disputing that! Lewis threw away his championship hopes with a silly move that really wasn't on at Monza and collided with Webber in Singapore, something that could have been avoided if Hamilton gave more room instead of chopping Webber's front wing, potentially 50 points lost, those points could have been the difference between winning or losing the championship, neither incident was the fault of the team; regardless of Red Bull's dominance, they had many inter-team issues which allowed others to take the initiative, Hamilton had a car capable of winning a world champion if everything went the way of the woking based team!

[Frontrunner]

When Webber decides to leave Red Bull I'm sure Red Bull will try to snap up Lewis, no doubt about that. Will Lewis accept, who knows. But you think Red bull will throw everything at Lewis to get him to drive for them. So for me Lewis will drive for Mclaren or Red Bull in my eyes when the time comes to decide where he wants to drive.

And the Vettel-Hamilton thing in the same team is a very tasty thought

BTW when does Hamilton's current contract run out with Mclaren??

[What's Burning?]

I for one know what Lewis can do with a great car
Do you?

Most drivers on the grid could win a world title with a great car. I may not like Hamilton but I appreciate his driving skill; I dislike him for the constant complaining instead of helping the team overcome their issues, putting all that negative press out there will not help the car go faster! As I said previously, no driver can outperform the car underneath him, Hamilton can extract more out of a poorly performing car than many drivers, I am not disputing that! Lewis threw away his championship hopes with a silly move that really wasn't on at Monza and collided with Webber in Singapore, something that could have been avoided if Hamilton gave more room instead of chopping Webber's front wing, potentially 50 points lost, those points could have been the difference between winning or losing the championship, neither incident was the fault of the team; regardless of Red Bull's dominance, they had many inter-team issues which allowed others to take the initiative, Hamilton had a car capable of winning a world champion if everything went the way of the woking based team!

I'm not sure what those issues within the team will amount to this year. The pressure of wining is much less once you've already proven you can win. Barring a blow out between Webber and Vettel, RBR is clearly once again the team to beat for both championships. It's the manufacturer's stage to show that they can develop the car to compete. Because RBR has said bring it. In the end, Hamilton as a driver wants two things, championships and money, two things that only 3 teams right now can deliver on.

[Hammer278]

So Lewis has to be "Perfect" to win WDC? While Seb crashes left and right and has a ton of failures and still came on top and won WDC.
The MP4-24/25 were not WDC contenders by a long shot.It was Lewis' aggressivnes that took him far and if he had an on par car he wouldn't need to be. Jenson drove mistake free and see where that got him.

Exactly. Lewis made 1 real mistake the entire season and that has immediately become "The WDC throwing mistake".

Alonso jumpstarted, cut chicanes, crashed, basically drove like a ninny in the first half and he is the heroic 'comeback' of 2010. What a JOKE.

[myownalias]

So Lewis has to be "Perfect" to win WDC? While Seb crashes left and right and has a ton of failures and still came on top and won WDC.
The MP4-24/25 were not WDC contenders by a long shot.It was Lewis' aggressivnes that took him far and if he had an on par car he wouldn't need to be. Jenson drove mistake free and see where that got him.

Exactly. Lewis made 1 real mistake the entire season and that has immediately become "The WDC throwing mistake".

Alonso jumpstarted, cut chicanes, crashed, basically drove like a ninny in the first half and he is the heroic 'comeback' of 2010. What a JOKE.

In my opinion Hamilton was responsible for his collision with Webber in Singapore; Hamilton had plenty of room to go around the outside but elected to chop Webber; Mark Webber simply held his line; that has to go down as a Hamilton mistake, it was exactly the same situation as Webber/Vettel in Turkey, Webber is entitled to hold his line and make the overtaking driver go around!

[Bubbie]

In the end, Hamilton as a driver wants two things, championships and money, two things that only 3 teams right now can deliver on.

Indeed... Red Bull, McLaren and Renault?

[bud]

So Lewis has to be "Perfect" to win WDC? While Seb crashes left and right and has a ton of failures and still came on top and won WDC.
The MP4-24/25 were not WDC contenders by a long shot.It was Lewis' aggressivnes that took him far and if he had an on par car he wouldn't need to be. Jenson drove mistake free and see where that got him.

Exactly. Lewis made 1 real mistake the entire season and that has immediately become "The WDC throwing mistake".

Alonso jumpstarted, cut chicanes, crashed, basically drove like a ninny in the first half and he is the heroic 'comeback' of 2010. What a JOKE.

In my opinion Hamilton was responsible for his collision with Webber in Singapore; Hamilton had plenty of room to go around the outside but elected to chop Webber; Mark Webber simply held his line; that has to go down as a Hamilton mistake, it was exactly the same situation as Webber/Vettel in Turkey, Webber is entitled to hold his line and make the overtaking driver go around!

Not entirely true, that was 50/50, Lewis had the racing line and position Mark didn't give up the inside which is not the ideal line, if he didn't hit Lewis he would have probably hit the wall he broke so late.

[darwin dali]

so even if Lewis does decide to disrupt the dream team, McLaren have a superstar driver on the books.

Are you saying JB is a superstar? Really?

[bud]

so even if Lewis does decide to disrupt the dream team, McLaren have a superstar driver on the books.

Are you saying JB is a superstar? Really?

World champions usually are. I think if Lewis leaves the Flying Scotsman DiResta will replace him.

[Jensonb]

so even if Lewis does decide to disrupt the dream team, McLaren have a superstar driver on the books.

Are you saying JB is a superstar? Really?

Are you suggesting he isn't? Good luck with that one.

[darwin dali]

I guess I just set the bar higher for SUPERstar. Like multiple championships instead of an accidental one, many years of superior driving instead of one or two good ones (think AS, AP, MS, MH, EF, NL, NP, JS, etc). JB: Star, sure - superstar, not so much.

[Jensonb]

I guess I just set the bar higher for SUPERstar. Like multiple championships instead of an accidental one

Hear that noise?

That's your credibility flying out the window.

[darwin dali]

I guess I just set the bar higher for SUPERstar. Like multiple championships instead of an accidental one

Hear that noise?

That's your credibility flying out the window.

Funny how you never tire of your hyperbole about JB, but then turn around and question my credibility when I put your exuberance in perspective.