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[Flux]

i think we need something beginning with R and ending in N





RAIN!!!!!!!


please

[Jensonb]

Historically, it does bode the long weekend for the competition when Vettel sets the pace in P1.

I think F1 could become boring, I really hope China can throw some sort of excitement in the mix

Depends on your perspective, dunnit? For about five years, you knew if that Armstrong chap showed well in the prologue of the Tour de France, the race's outcome was certain. Some fans enjoyed watching anyway because they recognised they were witnessing a history-making performance. Others would just as soon have spent the next three weeks on holiday at seashore and tuned back in once the race finally had got to Paris.

To me, when it's the same driver repeatedly who can't be caught, I'm not watching something boring, I'm watching something breathtaking. I do not number among those who believe Vettel is an ordinary driver who benefits from a car a chimp could win in. To the contrary, the exceptional driver elevates the station of his team. I think we are seeing a symbiotic relationship between F1's most genius designer in years and an extraordinary driver whose talents are perfectly suited to the nature of the competition in this era of über-fragile cars.

Uh-huh...You know, uh, he's only human.

[sennasational]

Historically, it does bode the long weekend for the competition when Vettel sets the pace in P1.

I think F1 could become boring, I really hope China can throw some sort of excitement in the mix

Depends on your perspective, dunnit? For about five years, you knew if that Armstrong chap showed well in the prologue of the Tour de France, the race's outcome was certain. Some fans enjoyed watching anyway because they recognised they were witnessing a history-making performance. Others would just as soon have spent the next three weeks on holiday at seashore and tuned back in once the race finally had got to Paris.

To me, when it's the same driver repeatedly who can't be caught, I'm not watching something boring, I'm watching something breathtaking. I do not number among those who believe Vettel is an ordinary driver who benefits from a car a chimp could win in. To the contrary, the exceptional driver elevates the station of his team. I think we are seeing a symbiotic relationship between F1's most genius designer in years and an extraordinary driver whose talents are perfectly suited to the nature of the competition in this era of über-fragile cars.

Uh-huh...You know, uh, he's only human.

We are who we are. Vettel is who he is; an idiot. I need to see him do well in a car that isn't the best on the grid to have any belief in his driving ability, last year certainly proved that his overtaking leaves a lot to be desired. Plus, every time he raises that finger and gets that gormless smirk on his face i get this weird urge to punch him.

[Denthúl]

Historically, it does bode the long weekend for the competition when Vettel sets the pace in P1.

I think F1 could become boring, I really hope China can throw some sort of excitement in the mix

Depends on your perspective, dunnit? For about five years, you knew if that Armstrong chap showed well in the prologue of the Tour de France, the race's outcome was certain. Some fans enjoyed watching anyway because they recognised they were witnessing a history-making performance. Others would just as soon have spent the next three weeks on holiday at seashore and tuned back in once the race finally had got to Paris.

To me, when it's the same driver repeatedly who can't be caught, I'm not watching something boring, I'm watching something breathtaking. I do not number among those who believe Vettel is an ordinary driver who benefits from a car a chimp could win in. To the contrary, the exceptional driver elevates the station of his team. I think we are seeing a symbiotic relationship between F1's most genius designer in years and an extraordinary driver whose talents are perfectly suited to the nature of the competition in this era of über-fragile cars.

Uh-huh...You know, uh, he's only human.

We are who we are. Vettel is who he is; an idiot. I need to see him do well in a car that isn't the best on the grid to have any belief in his driving ability, last year certainly proved that his overtaking leaves a lot to be desired. Plus, every time he raises that finger and gets that gormless smirk on his face i get this weird urge to punch him.

2008, to be fair...

[Jensonb]

2008, to be fair...

Let's not kid ourselves, the Toro Rosso was very suited to Monza that year, and was properly hooked up all season. It was no world beater, sure, and Vettel punched above its weight, but it was hardly the mind-blowing performance it's made out to be. He's not the only driver, or even active World Champion, who won a race in a midfield car.

I'm not saying he's not great by the way, just that he's hardly a cut above the rest. I don't like seeing drivers elevated to some untouchable status, especially when they haven't earned it and especially in an era like this one. We have eight-ten of the finest drivers ever to grace a Grand Prix either active in the sport right now or incapacitated but hoping to return. None of these guys is a God among Kings.

[Denthúl]

2008, to be fair...

Let's not kid ourselves, the Toro Rosso was very suited to Monza that year, and was properly hooked up all season. It was no world beater, sure, and Vettel punched above its weight, but it was hardly the mind-blowing performance it's made out to be. He's not the only driver, or even active World Champion, who won a race in a midfield car.

I'm not saying he's not great by the way, just that he's hardly a cut above the rest. I don't like seeing drivers elevated to some untouchable status, especially when they haven't earned it and especially in an era like this one. We have eight-ten of the finest drivers ever to grace a Grand Prix either active in the sport right now or incapacitated but hoping to return. None of these guys is a God among Kings.

I'm not talking specifically about Monza. I was merely pointing out to sennasational that Vettel did well in a car that wasn't the best on the grid. He had a very good season in 2008, drove very well and for his first full season he pulled off some very smart - and often, exciting - overtaking moves throughout the year. I think everyone knows from the number of times I mentioned it last year, he's not a guy I particularly like, but it frustrates me that people claim he's average and it's all down to the car when, to be fair, he is a good driver. It's just as irritating as the claims that Button could only win a championship because the car was so good. I'm sure that's something you can relate to.

[Jamie]

I agree, It's amazing to see Vettel winning, he is a young, brilliant talent and deserves th but he hasn't been put to the test just yet?

I want to see him fight. Plus I don't like Webber but I want to see them both fight it out, the only exciting bits so far is Koby...& the middle pack

[sennasational]

I agree, It's amazing to see Vettel winning, he is a young, brilliant talent and deserves th but he hasn't been put to the test just yet?

I want to see him fight. Plus I don't like Webber but I want to see them both fight it out, the only exciting bits so far is Koby...& the middle pack

Yeah...they tried that once.

[Jamie]

Yeah, then let some one else win...

[spankyham]

Comparison of Ferrari's new V old front wing:-





The top of the inner endplate is thiner.
The bottom of the rear of the endplate is now missing the tab extension.
The up sweep of the mainplane is less slopped and has a larger radius in the curve.
The second and third flaps which are re contoured.

thanks to f300v10 for the info

[spankyham]

Nando ran the new front wing in the 2nd session yesterday. You'll not from the pictures in my post above that the camera mounts are now back in the usual position (they are missing in the comparison pic).

Unfortunately for Ferrari, Nando's hydraulic problem ended up effecting their testing because Nando's car was fitted with the new front wing and he was designated to do the comparison work. He didn't get many laps in so I don't know if they were able to get enough done.

Both drivers did say that the other new bits definitely helped with the most noticeable improvement being they could get heat into the tyres (even the primes!) in a lap - that's a very big improvement and should help the for qualifying.

[What's Burning?]

^^ It's remarkable when you see a side by side comparison like this how a miniscule evolution of a wing can have such a perceivable performance gain.

[acosmichippo]

I'm no aero expert, but it looks like those tweaks are intended to reduce drag rather than increase downforce.

[vlad]

Historically, it does bode the long weekend for the competition when Vettel sets the pace in P1.

I think F1 could become boring, I really hope China can throw some sort of excitement in the mix

Depends on your perspective, dunnit? For about five years, you knew if that Armstrong chap showed well in the prologue of the Tour de France, the race's outcome was certain. Some fans enjoyed watching anyway because they recognised they were witnessing a history-making performance. Others would just as soon have spent the next three weeks on holiday at seashore and tuned back in once the race finally had got to Paris.

To me, when it's the same driver repeatedly who can't be caught, I'm not watching something boring, I'm watching something breathtaking. I do not number among those who believe Vettel is an ordinary driver who benefits from a car a chimp could win in. To the contrary, the exceptional driver elevates the station of his team. I think we are seeing a symbiotic relationship between F1's most genius designer in years and an extraordinary driver whose talents are perfectly suited to the nature of the competition in this era of über-fragile cars.

Uh-huh...You know, uh, he's only human.

We are who we are. Vettel is who he is; an idiot. I need to see him do well in a car that isn't the best on the grid to have any belief in his driving ability, last year certainly proved that his overtaking leaves a lot to be desired. Plus, every time he raises that finger and gets that gormless smirk on his face i get this weird urge to punch him.

How about him saying you're an idiot?

[texasmr2]

How about him saying you're an idiot?

NS grow the fawk up lady's!!!!!