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[acosmichippo]

It's a risk vs reward calculation. My thought was Seb doesn't need KERS to win, so there's no reason for him to risk putting an unreliable part on his car. But for Webber, the risk might be worth it if it means starting the race without being overtaken by 3-4 people by the first corner.

Then again, Vettel did say he wouldn't have gotten pole if he didn't have KERS.

[vlad]

Well, they will both need KERS, if only for starts, but they'll need it!

[F1er]

Only a fool cant see that they're screwing Webber on purpose. Two races in a row that somehow ONLY Webbers car has these interesting problems.
Once Wonder Boy is in the clear,Webber's performances will be on par,amazingly

[vlad]

[CarBore]

What possible reason would a team have for sabotaging its own driver. The teams is most invested in the WCC and you need both of your drivers doing well to do so. We get that you don't like/rate Vettel F1er but we don't need another Alonso/Hamilton conspiricy flame war starting up.

[geetface9]

Interesting. Funny how Vettel clearly doesn't need KERS, but Webber clearly DOES. I wonder if they'll opt for different KERS strategies for both drivers. Probably not.

Explain please

I think he's referring to the last two GPs where Vettel has won, and Webber... hasn't done nearly as well. Both cars were apparently having KERS issues.

True enough, but I think it's going a little too far to say he NEEDS it, because he obviously didn't in order to finish the race in 4th and only 26 seconds behind vettel. He's never done well in australia either, for whatever reason so there's no excuse for that and I won't defend him on it. But when he got burned on the straight in malaysia because everybody else had KERS and he didn't, ya his car needs it in order to be competitive, but he as a driver obviously doesn't. at least not on that track. Only a few more races will tell if he as a driver needs it to do well, but now is too soon to make that claim, I think!

[geetface9]

It's a risk vs reward calculation. My thought was Seb doesn't need KERS to win, so there's no reason for him to risk putting an unreliable part on his car. But for Webber, the risk might be worth it if it means starting the race without being overtaken by 3-4 people by the first corner.

Then again, Vettel did say he wouldn't have gotten pole if he didn't have KERS.

Now that's nonsense. I guarantee you that vettel would have got smoked by the renaults and mclarens to the first corner if he didn't have KERS.

[CarBore]

Any track with a long run to turn 1 or large straights RBR should be running KERS, even if it isn't perfect. You risk simply being beaten down to the first corner or being defenceless on a long straight

[Robert12010]

i think that the reason that red bull are struggling to put on the kers system, because adrian newey and his design team are struggling to package the system, which is strange considering how good of a design team hes got

[racechick]

i think that the reason that red bull are struggling to put on the kers system, because adrian newey and his design team are struggling to package the system, which is strange considering how good of a design team hes got

Adrian doesnt really want it. It compromises what he can do with the car.

[FRAFPDD]

i think that the reason that red bull are struggling to put on the kers system, because adrian newey and his design team are struggling to package the system, which is strange considering how good of a design team hes got

Adrian doesnt really want it. It compromises what he can do with the car.

Good! They've sorted out reliability so mclaren in patricular need an advantage over them, What I think is that on short sharp tracks with smallish straights red bull won't/ don't need KERS cause they're do fast without it, but on, and heres the advantage to mclaren, MOST of the seasons tracks the straights are long and the tracks are fast and sweeping, the only tracks red bull I feel will get pole by more then .5 of a second or so are Monaco and Singapore, where they probably won't need to run KERS cause they're faster without. On most tracks they'll need it, and the con is whether they get it working or not they seem slower with it working and on the car then with it off!

[Hammer278]

i think that the reason that red bull are struggling to put on the kers system, because adrian newey and his design team are struggling to package the system, which is strange considering how good of a design team hes got

Adrian doesnt really want it. It compromises what he can do with the car.

Good! They've sorted out reliability so mclaren in patricular need an advantage over them, What I think is that on short sharp tracks with smallish straights red bull won't/ don't need KERS cause they're do fast without it, but on, and heres the advantage to mclaren, MOST of the seasons tracks the straights are long and the tracks are fast and sweeping, the only tracks red bull I feel will get pole by more then .5 of a second or so are Monaco and Singapore, where they probably won't need to run KERS cause they're faster without. On most tracks they'll need it, and the con is whether they get it working or not they seem slower with it working and on the car then with it off!

If they are able to qualify by that margin by the time we reach THOSE tracks, I believe the WDC/WCC is already sewn up mate. Lets hope McLaren will do something about it, fast.

[FRAFPDD]

i think that the reason that red bull are struggling to put on the kers system, because adrian newey and his design team are struggling to package the system, which is strange considering how good of a design team hes got

Adrian doesnt really want it. It compromises what he can do with the car.

Good! They've sorted out reliability so mclaren in patricular need an advantage over them, What I think is that on short sharp tracks with smallish straights red bull won't/ don't need KERS cause they're do fast without it, but on, and heres the advantage to mclaren, MOST of the seasons tracks the straights are long and the tracks are fast and sweeping, the only tracks red bull I feel will get pole by more then .5 of a second or so are Monaco and Singapore, where they probably won't need to run KERS cause they're faster without. On most tracks they'll need it, and the con is whether they get it working or not they seem slower with it working and on the car then with it off!

If they are able to qualify by that margin by the time we reach THOSE tracks, I believe the WDC/WCC is already sewn up mate. Lets hope McLaren will do something about it, fast.

They were dominating that much at brazil etc last year and they only just sewed that up.


Theyve got reliability on their side but it'd seem with KERS working they're slower then with it off, that's the ticket there.

[Flux]

Kers and a reliable DRS is far more a requirement here than Malaysia, down the back straight there will be just no hope in hell of defending a position if something is broken.

[Frontrunner]

Its a no brainer, Red Bull needs a working KERS for China, if they don't have KERS at all for China they will struggle to win. If the KERS fail half way thru the race it is still worth having it on board as KERS is very important for the start and the 1st stint when the whole pack is closey bunched up . Once when the field spreads out you can get away with no KERS.(maybe). Just look at both RBR drivers last sunday ,Seb have KERS for the first part of the race and Mark had no KERS at all. Seb got away and Mark got mobbed by midfield runners for that first stint.