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[f1ea]

Now that's a bullsh!t explanations if ever there was one. I guess he'd like everyone to look at his notebook instead of at the photographic and video evidence.

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[F1er]

Now that's a bullsh!t explanations if ever there was one. I guess he'd like everyone to look at his notebook instead of at the photographic and video evidence.

Let me see... so the wing goes DOWN when the car is at speed.... from his explanation the wing should be going down while they're under braking... you know cause the RB rear is so high. But wait, I see the wing actually come UP during braking.

I guess Newey is as much of a magician as everyone says he is because his aero designs can alter the laws of physics.

Also if Horner is right,why would only the end plates scrape the ground? Why not the whole wing? And why it isn't obvious when the car is stopped?

Horner I say you're full of sh!t.

[nish2280]

Now that's a bullsh!t explanations if ever there was one. I guess he'd like everyone to look at his notebook instead of at the photographic and video evidence.

Let me see... so the wing goes DOWN when the car is at speed.... from his explanation the wing should be going down while they're under braking... you know cause the RB rear is so high. But wait, I see the wing actually come UP during braking.

I guess Newey is as much of a magician as everyone says he is because his aero designs can alter the laws of physics.

I know this is going to come across as a stupid fanboy trying to get people to lay off his team but i genuinely dont get it.

Isnt the car under the highest load at high speed? Thus pushing it down as high pressure regions develop on the car from a large volume of air travelling over it while relatively low pressure regions are created under it, duckling it to the floor?

So under breaking, as the car slows and less air is travelling over it's body the pressure should decrease and allow the car to rise?

[racechick]

Ive decided its cheating. But the FIA cant be arsed to sort it out.

[What's Burning?]

Now that's a bullsh!t explanations if ever there was one. I guess he'd like everyone to look at his notebook instead of at the photographic and video evidence.

Let me see... so the wing goes DOWN when the car is at speed.... from his explanation the wing should be going down while they're under braking... you know cause the RB rear is so high. But wait, I see the wing actually come UP during braking.

I guess Newey is as much of a magician as everyone says he is because his aero designs can alter the laws of physics.

I know this is going to come across as a stupid fanboy trying to get people to lay off his team but i genuinely dont get it.

Isnt the car under the highest load at high speed? Thus pushing it down as high pressure regions develop on the car from a large volume of air travelling over it while relatively low pressure regions are created under it, duckling it to the floor?

So under breaking, as the car slows and less air is travelling over it's body the pressure should decrease and allow the car to rise?

There's a natural tendency for cars to dive down in the front when braking since most of the braking force is done with the front wheels. Not as pronounced in an F1 car of course, but try it at home. But the issue here is that this has nothing to do with braking or the entire car rising or falling as Horner is suggesting with his "notebook" There is clear photographic evidence with a computer ray traced outline of the nose of the car flexing two or three degrees... clearly visible with the the angle of the front wing endplate tilted down by those same couple of degrees... no amount of suspension difference would cause that part of the body to actually TILT.

The part in question is one piece, we've all seen them replaced hundreds of times when they get broken. That part of the car would never deform/flex or change due to suspension geometry magic, it's a solid piece. So to have this evidence of that portion flexing a couple of degrees is something they'd need a hell of a lot more than a notebook demonstration to answer.

More power to Red Bull, they figured out a way to beat the system, it's the "Wall Street" way, so let them enjoy it, but don't sit there and insult everyone with ridiculous explanations of what they must be seeing.

Eventually other teams will do just the same thing, (that I'm sure of) and perhaps then the FIA will investigate.

[scotty]

So, Horner says it's all in the rake, which i'm sure we're all agreed is quite clearly bull (no, pun NOT intended! although i did try to think of a good one...), or more to the point an irrelevant thing to say. No doubt the other teams could see they were running a bit more/less rake relative to them anyway, people are pretty eagle eyed and it's probably fairly obvious to see from the right angle. He was pretty clever in answering the question without actually answering the 'real' question though, i think. And really he's under no obligation to do so anyway, given that the car is still technically legal and the others have no real grounds to contest that fact at the moment.

[acosmichippo]

Good Stuff.

Exactly what I was going to say. It's not a matter of the wing simply being lower to the ground, it's a matter of flexing at high speeds.

[killem2]

Ive decided its cheating. But the FIA cant be arsed to sort it out.

I've decided it is wicked VooDoo magic and my Fantasy Team approves!

Now, while I don't really have a favorite team, I am starting to become partial to Mclaren. Hamilton and Button are fantastic people. This side of me hates the red bull wing.


Then the part of me that just loves f1, doesn't give a crap either way lol.

[Gaz]

Mclaren


Red Bull


Your a muppet Horner, glad hes getting annoyed tho shows Mclaren are getting to him, FIA should get suspicious soon

[racechick]

Ive decided its cheating. But the FIA cant be arsed to sort it out.

I've decided it is wicked VooDoo magic and my Fantasy Team approves!

Now, while I don't really have a favorite team, I am starting to become partial to Mclaren. Hamilton and Button are fantastic people. This side of me hates the red bull wing.


Then the part of me that just loves f1, doesn't give a crap either way lol.

My fantasy team quite approves But then the side of me that really loves F1 DOES give a crap
Now your middle two sentences I totally, utterly and competely understand

[darwin dali]

The plot thickens...

[Robert12010]

i love the horner bashing lol

[Jensonb]

As I said on the chat this morning, Horner can say what he likes, the Red Bull front wing visibly moves position under circumstances where other cars' wings are static. It doesn't take an eagle eye, the damn thing jitters about like it's hyped up on...

Well, you know.


Red Bull gives you (flexible) Wings.

[What's Burning?]

As I said on the chat this morning, Horner can say what he likes, the Red Bull front wing visibly moves position under circumstances where other cars' wings are static. It doesn't take an eagle eye, the damn thing jitters about like it's hyped up on...

Well, you know.


Red Bull gives you (flexible) Wings.

Did I say you could use that word?

Let's just wait for qualies and see what happens... come on Jenson Button did admirably in P2, you should have nothing but hope for the McLaren manufacturing juggernaut to be able to figure out what a drink company figured out a year ago.

[Hammer278]

I'm waiting for McLaren to build another magic duct in the car and name it "F*** you RB-duct"