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#249354
McLaren are the only team that put two world champions in the same car.Others havn't got the balls :wink:


Certainly been a while since Ferrari did it - 1990 I think


Don't think Ferrari have ever done it,if they have it's a hell of a lot longer ago than that.Don't forget in 1990 Mansell wasn't a world champion :hehe:


Ah, if you are saying current world champs then yes youare right, but you didn't say that to start with.

Even so not a bad pairing :-)
#249375
McLaren are the only team that put two world champions in the same car.Others havn't got the balls :wink:


how did they both fit in at the same time?

Your right though, I do not think any other team has the internal make up or the appearance of nutrallity to be able to pull it off.



Meh, if Mclaren become that good that Button and Hamilton end up fighting for the championship I think there'll be fireworks alright, I'd bet my life on it.
By Peng
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I will say it clearly even if Horner doesn't have the balls to. Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso are supremely gifted drivers and are much better than their respective team-mates.

Why do we cat foot around this? Webber was only leading last year because Vettel had some growing to do and some bad luck with his ride. The year before Button was world champion only because of the car he was driving. Look at who he was battling for the lead and where Rubhino is now. Massa is a joke.


The Brawn 2009 car and RBR 2010 car had pretty similar advantages over rival teams during the season, the main difference being Button took advantage early on in 2009 with his 6 wins before the rest of the teams caught up on pace compared to 2010 where no one really caught RBR but they couldn't hold a lead due to mistakes during races.

So if you are going to claim Buttons championship was because of his car the exact same can be said for Vettel.
#249434
The Brawn 2009 car and RBR 2010 car had pretty similar advantages over rival teams during the season, the main difference being Button took advantage early on in 2009 with his 6 wins before the rest of the teams caught up on pace compared to 2010 where no one really caught RBR but they couldn't hold a lead due to mistakes during races.

So if you are going to claim Buttons championship was because of his car the exact same can be said for Vettel.

:yes:
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By F1er
#249447
I will say it clearly even if Horner doesn't have the balls to. Vettel, Hamilton and Alonso are supremely gifted drivers and are much better than their respective team-mates.

Why do we cat foot around this? Webber was only leading last year because Vettel had some growing to do and some bad luck with his ride. The year before Button was world champion only because of the car he was driving. Look at who he was battling for the lead and where Rubhino is now. Massa is a joke.


The Brawn 2009 car and RBR 2010 car had pretty similar advantages over rival teams during the season, the main difference being Button took advantage early on in 2009 with his 6 wins before the rest of the teams caught up on pace compared to 2010 where no one really caught RBR but they couldn't hold a lead due to mistakes during races.

So if you are going to claim Buttons championship was because of his car the exact same can be said for Vettel.


The only titles in whic two teams were pretty even were Mac&Ferrari in 07/08 during which Kimi&Lewis had to fight to the last race! (as of late)

Actually to win the WDC in the last race with such dominant car,speaks volume how bad the drivers were for Red Bull
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By vlad
#249449
You cannot compare Brawn's title and Red Bull's title... Brawn car was just flawless when they needed to be...
On the other hand, we could see Vettel's domination this year.
#249454
You cannot compare Brawn's title and Red Bull's title....


You're right the RB6 was by far more dominant throughout the year.


The Brawn didn't happen to have multiple catastrophic failures from an almost guaranteed 1st place
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By F1er
#249463
You cannot compare Brawn's title and Red Bull's title....


You're right the RB6 was by far more dominant throughout the year.


The Brawn didn't happen to have multiple catastrophic failures from an almost guaranteed 1st place

Yes because Jenson is way better than Seb who was dive bombing others and forgot to follow the safety car.
#249464
You cannot compare Brawn's title and Red Bull's title....


You're right the RB6 was by far more dominant throughout the year.


The Brawn didn't happen to have multiple catastrophic failures from an almost guaranteed 1st place

Yes because Jenson is way better than Seb who was dive bombing others and forgot to follow the safety car.


How did that stop the Brawn breaking down from first place?
#249468
why does it matter? It could easily be said that the RB only got to first place to begin with because it was such a dominant car (apart from the reliability).
#249473
The fact that Webber didn't have any reliability problems last season makes me think that there may be something in the driving styles that causes Vettel to work the car harder...
#249474
why does it matter? It could easily be said that the RB only got to first place to begin with because it was such a dominant car (apart from the reliability).


Read his post, in response to the post about the Brawn being more reliable, he says because Jenson is better than Vettel.
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Thinking about it, have direct driver by driver comparisons ever actually gone anywhere, ever? Let comparing championships won, different years, different cars, different oppositions. Just seems to come down to personal preference.

Anyway, its a sham isn't it? Heck even the idea of a WDC is, the cars have never been equal between teams - no ones ever claimed they are. And I can't think of another sport where there is a greater reliance on an individuals performance within the team (the drivers) with regards to a teams performance as a whole. It's a team sport.

In cricket for example, a batsman can still clearly perform well even though their team mates are doing rubbish, what his partner is doing has little effect. The indivuduals performance is easy to note. Of course you could always say - cos his team was s*** the batsman had to play more aggressively than usual, or the pressure mounted or something.

Then there's football (soccer) again, you can look at individual stats - pass completion number of times tackled or has tackled etc. But really, its difficult for a player to turn a generally rubbish team performance round - a keeper could make loads of great saves, but one or two shots could get past them and they lose.

In f1? It's even harder for a driver to outperform a rubbish car, and often its not clear since they tend to be presented together - there isn't really a clear distinction between what is down to the car, and what is down to the driver - even when comparing team mates since they use different setups and the teammate themselves has their own ability.
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