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The FIA are not kids, they know what theyre doing.
Really?? Cant agree with that on past behaviour.
Like what? Arguing amongst themselves endlesslty and never agreeing to disagree. Nope, thats reserved for us.
Forming opinionsand decisions based on what evidence their is rather then their personal blinded obsession with their favouriet team/driver. Nope, thats reserved for us.
Maybe the FIA arent as good as i make out, but internet forums with internet warriors, are nowhere near a standard to take overThis forum can hardly control itself let alone the sport.
No traditionally they dont argue amongst themselves...they vote where their bread is buttered.
"Forming opinions and decisions based on what evidence there is rather than their personal blinded obsession with their favourite driver/team" ??
You believe the FIA have not been guilty of this obsession with a favourite team? You believe they haven't used ther power to pususe personal vendettas? You dont believe they have used their position of power in a corrupt manner? Look at the innovations they have banned over the years and the 'things' they have turned a blind eye to.
I actually feel the FIA are much better now than they were under Mosley when they were just a joke. lets hope their inability to police the flexible front wing is just down to incompetence and nothing more sinister.
So then what approach would you like them to take?
Would you prefer the "it passes the tests, follows the regulations but that guy 'Bud' on Forumula1.com says its illegal so it is"
Or the "It passes the tests, Follows the regulations but no one is smart enough to figure out how and therefore it is illegal.
Please go read this article and realize that the wing does not defy any rules or regulations.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/31032011/23/whiting-nothing-illegal-red-bull-wing.html
We are going around in circles here! That's the exact article I read and would like to show Charlie the photos of the Redbull wing scraping the ground and then ask him well if it's legal please explain why this is happening.
A wise man once said to think for yourself you must question authority! Don't accept everything like a blind sheep! Well your avatar would suggest it's just convenient stance you're taking instead of an honest well thought out point of view!
So then what approach would you like them to take?
Would you prefer the "it passes the tests, follows the regulations but that guy 'Bud' on Forumula1.com says its illegal so it is"
Or the "It passes the tests, Follows the regulations but no one is smart enough to figure out how and therefore it is illegal.
Please go read this article and realize that the wing does not defy any rules or regulations.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/31032011/23/whiting-nothing-illegal-red-bull-wing.html
We are going around in circles here! That's the exact article I read and would like to show Charlie the photos of the Redbull wing scraping the ground and then ask him well if it's legal please explain why this is happening.
A wise man once said to think for yourself you must question authority! Don't accept everything like a blind sheep! Well your avatar would suggest it's just convenient stance you're taking instead of an honest well thought out point of view!
So you assume that Mr.Whiting has not seen those photos? He just turns up at GPs, does the tests and the goes home and has a few beers?
With so much media speculation you wouldnt think that he would, being an engineer for the past few decades, at least have a look about what all the fuss is about? He obviously would. This is what i find so annoying. You think the FIA arnt doing their job. They are, its just that you cant face the fact that RedBull's wing is legal.
Have you seen a single interview where they ask why the wing is legal? Maybe no one has asked him to explain it's legality? Or maybe he is not allowed to divulge why it is legal as it would give away RedBull's secret.
My avatar has nothing to do with my stance on this subject. When the F-duct and double diffuser's legality was being debated i was just as supportive about that as i am of this. If you dont believe me please go look at the threads discussing it. I like when teams innovate beyond the given boundaries.
“He who establishes his argument by noise and command shows that his reason is weak.” Dont throw quotes at me.
100 percent wholegrain goodness here. Of course always IMO.Yeah but theres a difference between asking a question, debating it, and downright telling the FIA YOU.ARE.WRONG. because we dont like it.
Now you cant really deny thats been the trend of posting, insulting the FIA as an organisation, purely cause "we" think the wings are illegal, and they dont. Thats not erally respecting the FIA'a (much more well informed might i add) opinion.
Again, i dont think the wings are legal. But i respect the FIA's decision they are, and now propose the other teams to get to work copying. It was brought up from March 2010 into April 2011, and the FIA have repeatedly told us its legal. What more do you expect to gain, other then a self-proclaimed sense of righteousness and justice cause this forums majority agrees with each other. RB have found a loophole, its happened before its happened again, its part of Formula One.
Oh come on FRAFPDD, don't give me that. You're far more than smart enough to know that people's posts on Forums are frequently emotionally influenced. Just because people are being a little disrespectful or angry in their wording doesn't mean their right to say it is diminished. It doesn't take a lot of effort to make a little allowance for hyperbole. At any rate, for the most part, all that most people have said is that the rule and/or the test is/are flawed or that they believe there is significant evidence that a rule or some rules, are likely being breached. It's not like anyone has started hurling curse words at the FIA. The harshest thing I can recall someone saying is that the FIA are incompetent. And whilst it may have been a generalisation, it's pretty clear they didn't mean every single person in the FIA is incompetent all of the time.
And if someone specific is going beyond the reasonable, why can't they be confronted directly, rather than a broad criticism seemingly aimed at everyone wh superficially shares that viewpoint? The trouble with not naming names is it makes a criticism seem far more indiscriminately aimed
Rendered moot - honestly mate, that's just plain silly. Again, I will point out that is what the rules says.
It seems it's not "moot" for every other teams, they all manage to comply. And because Red Bull are clearly failing it, declaring it "moot" does not let them off the hook.
Technically the rules are not contradictory. One says you must always be this distance above/below. The other gives an amount of flex in this test. If your car flexes x they you simply have to add that to the positioning of the wing to ensure, when it is in that flexed position, it is does not exceed the min/max distance.
The FIA are not kids, they know what theyre doing.
Really?? Cant agree with that on past behaviour.
Like what? Arguing amongst themselves endlesslty and never agreeing to disagree. Nope, thats reserved for us.
Forming opinionsand decisions based on what evidence their is rather then their personal blinded obsession with their favouriet team/driver. Nope, thats reserved for us.
Maybe the FIA arent as good as i make out, but internet forums with internet warriors, are nowhere near a standard to take over
No traditionally they dont argue amongst themselves...they vote where their bread is buttered.
"Forming opinions and decisions based on what evidence there is rather than their personal blinded obsession with their favourite driver/team" ??
You believe the FIA have not been guilty of this obsession with a favourite team? You believe they haven't used ther power to pususe personal vendettas? You dont believe they have used their position of power in a corrupt manner? Look at the innovations they have banned over the years and the 'things' they have turned a blind eye to.
I actually feel the FIA are much better now than they were under Mosley when they were just a joke. lets hope their inability to police the flexible front wing is just down to incompetence and nothing more sinister.
It sounds like you feel the FIA is a conspiracy, we get this in football aswell. It seems whenever an organisation doesnt do something, or does something that particularly the english wouldnt like. We play the "oh everyone hates england so that makes sense, we're always cheated out of it" Whilst you havent said this outright, it might be a suc-conscious opinion you hold based on what your saying.
I doubt its more then coincidence that almost every governing organisation such as the FIA or FIFA, or the FA are considered littered with corruption. It cause corruption is the easiest option as a scapegoat when a decision doesnt go your way.
The FIA have done things that warrant corruption and favouritism. But considering the diverse nature of representatives from background and country i doubt they all simultaneously agree that say they could help Ferrari in 2008 if they ban Lewis Hamiltons win in spa on what most thought was entirely legal. Thats just a bit absurd, especially as the likelihood of a whistle-blower given how many people there are is high and still we havent heard anything.
Again im not saying there havent been acts of plain bias or personal gain/vested interest. But to claim its that for every single thing we dont like.....they cant please everybody all the time. They let Mclaren have the borderline illegal F-duct, they let Red Bull have the flexi-wing, they let Renault have the mass damper. Three different teams with as much different drivers. Maybe we should applaud the FIA for allowing clever engineers their reward for finding loopholes.
I think the news of the world part says it all robert lol.
Was that story under the 20 year old oxbridge student with her clangers out?
I think the news of the world part says it all robert lol.
Was that story under the 20 year old oxbridge student with her clangers out?
There were countless examples of it . Thing is they placed themselves above the law, accountable to no-one. They were judge jury and prosecutor. Now tell me thats a fair way to go about policing issues.
I think the news of the world part says it all robert lol.
Was that story under the 20 year old oxbridge student with her clangers out?
There were countless examples of it . Thing is they placed themselves above the law, accountable to no-one. They were judge jury and prosecutor. Now tell me thats a fair way to go about policing issues.
Wait im confused......who are they? and what examples are we speaking of?
Rendered moot - honestly mate, that's just plain silly. Again, I will point out that is what the rules says.
It seems it's not "moot" for every other teams, they all manage to comply. And because Red Bull are clearly failing it, declaring it "moot" does not let them off the hook.
Technically the rules are not contradictory. One says you must always be this distance above/below. The other gives an amount of flex in this test. If your car flexes x they you simply have to add that to the positioning of the wing to ensure, when it is in that flexed position, it is does not exceed the min/max distance.
I'd bet a lot of money that no team does that. None of them at all. The performance loss would be too great to make compromises 'just in case'.
That doesn't make sense whatsoever for any team to do.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
I think the news of the world part says it all robert lol.
Was that story under the 20 year old oxbridge student with her clangers out?
There were countless examples of it . Thing is they placed themselves above the law, accountable to no-one. They were judge jury and prosecutor. Now tell me thats a fair way to go about policing issues.
Wait im confused......who are they? and what examples are we speaking of?
They are the FIA. Examples are too numerous to list.
I think the news of the world part says it all robert lol.
Was that story under the 20 year old oxbridge student with her clangers out?
There were countless examples of it . Thing is they placed themselves above the law, accountable to no-one. They were judge jury and prosecutor. Now tell me thats a fair way to go about policing issues.
Wait im confused......who are they? and what examples are we speaking of?
They are the FIA. Examples are too numerous to list.
Thats the worst excuse in the world. If there are so many you should at least be able to list 5. How can there be so many that you cant list them? If anything that should be easier for you to prove.
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