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[bud]

I'm getting quite sick of being told what we can and can't discuss. It's a Forum. We can discuss whatever aspect of Formula One we want. If you don't think it's a relevant or informed discussion, you're quite free to not read it. There is no need whatsoever to have a go at people for debating the hot topic in the sport at the moment.

Nobody (at least im not) is saying that. You can discuss the wing as much as you like. But when theres a collective mouthing off about how stupid the FIA are to not spot it............That aint gravy. Im pretty, pretty sure they know whats going on. But if they passed the test, what should they do, declare a dictatorship-style emergency rule and ban everything on how it looks? It doesnt matter how much the wing flexes in pictures or videos or comparisons to Mclarens (which also flexes) What matters, is that when push comes to shove and the wings legaity is TESTED, the only fair way of determining its legality, they passed as LEGAL. Should be end of story in that respect. What should be debated is the inadequacy of the tests. Which has been mentioned like once, the rest is just bear-baiting of the FIA.

I dont know why you say McLarens wing is flexing where is your proof that it is flexing to an illegal amount? do you even know what you are talking about?
Id like Charlie whiting to explain the photo evidence of Redbull wings, your so called FIA experts are just brushing it off just like you are, "it passes the test so is legal" fairly unintelligible and irrational approach if you ask me. The facts are Redbulls wing/nose is flexing to an ILLEGAL amount. Moveable aero is illegal you have seen the photos I cannot fathom how any sane person can defend this other than a Redbull fan or a

[Jensonb]

I'm getting quite sick of being told what we can and can't discuss. It's a Forum. We can discuss whatever aspect of Formula One we want. If you don't think it's a relevant or informed discussion, you're quite free to not read it. There is no need whatsoever to have a go at people for debating the hot topic in the sport at the moment.

Nobody (at least im not) is saying that. You can discuss the wing as much as you like. But when theres a collective mouthing off about how stupid the FIA are to not spot it............That aint gravy. Im pretty, pretty sure they know whats going on.

They've been wrong before. It can happen again. And either way, people are perfectly entitled to say that "here's the rule, here's what's happening. The FIA aren't doing anything about it, and if that's the rule, I can't see why". Ask questions, demand answers. If you just sit back and accept that the powers-that-be are always right, you wind up in a heap of trouble.

It's sad that you do not see how selfcontradictory that statement it.

Oh I see, you're one of those "opposing people's opposition to free expression is oxymoronic" people. Yeah, sorry Dobbs, that birdie won't fly.

[Robert12010]

the thread is out of control!

[texasmr2]

Yet it is a very good subject to discuss as it may help shed some light as to why there is such a difference, all in good fun though right?

[stonemonkey]

the thread is out of control!

Yep, could do with some more flexible attitudes to keep it firmly on the ground.

[texasmr2]

the thread is out of control!

Yep, could do with some more flexible attitudes to keep it firmly on the ground.

Good one .

[Hammer278]

the thread is out of control!

Yep, could do with some more flexible attitudes to keep it firmly on the ground.

Good one .

I'd say. Much nicer word than "Un-Dictatorial".

[killem2]

So I went back and watched the AUS grand prix again, and man you don't notice it at first but when you actually take the time to look at it then see a mclaren, renault, ferrari you can clearly see it flexing, it's crazy!

You don't even have to pause / zoom it is just that obvious. Wait till turkey when theya re flat through turn 8 they may need to raise their ride height or the car may begin lifting asphalt

[stonemonkey]

The test I was asking about before was this, it's not to do with the wing flexing but the rest of the bodywork. I was wondering if this is done with the nose and wing fitted or not and where the adapter is fixed to the car.

3.17.1 Bodywork may deflect no more than 20mm vertically when a 1000N load is applied vertically to it 800mm forward of the front wheel centre line and 795mm from the car centre line. The load will be applied in a downward direction using a 50mm diameter ram to the centre of area of an adapter measuring 300mm x 150mm, the 300mm length having been positioned parallel to the car centre line. Teams must supply the adapter when such a test is deemed necessary.
The deflection will be measured along the loading axis at the bottom of the bodywork at this point and relative to the reference plane.

[scotty]

For reference here's a pic of the test itself being done, i believe someone was asking about it:

[texasmr2]

For reference here's a pic of the test itself being done, i believe someone was asking about it:

I honestly do not see how that test could be compared with an actual windtunnel test ie true load and true representation of how the wing/nose will act under racing conditions.

[FRAFPDD]

I'm getting quite sick of being told what we can and can't discuss. It's a Forum. We can discuss whatever aspect of Formula One we want. If you don't think it's a relevant or informed discussion, you're quite free to not read it. There is no need whatsoever to have a go at people for debating the hot topic in the sport at the moment.

Nobody (at least im not) is saying that. You can discuss the wing as much as you like. But when theres a collective mouthing off about how stupid the FIA are to not spot it............That aint gravy. Im pretty, pretty sure they know whats going on. But if they passed the test, what should they do, declare a dictatorship-style emergency rule and ban everything on how it looks? It doesnt matter how much the wing flexes in pictures or videos or comparisons to Mclarens (which also flexes) What matters, is that when push comes to shove and the wings legaity is TESTED, the only fair way of determining its legality, they passed as LEGAL. Should be end of story in that respect. What should be debated is the inadequacy of the tests. Which has been mentioned like once, the rest is just bear-baiting of the FIA.

I dont know why you say McLarens wing is flexing where is your proof that it is flexing to an illegal amount? do you even know what you are talking about?
Id like Charlie whiting to explain the photo evidence of Redbull wings, your so called FIA experts are just brushing it off just like you are, "it passes the test so is legal" fairly unintelligible and irrational approach if you ask me. The facts are Redbulls wing/nose is flexing to an ILLEGAL amount. Moveable aero is illegal you have seen the photos I cannot fathom how any sane person can defend this other than a Redbull fan or a

Heres where our wires cross bud (thank you for replying in a civil manner btw) Im jsut echoing the words of others, im not saying Mclarens wing is illegal, Someone said RB wing is flexing therefore illegal, im pointing out that so does Mclarens as does Ferraris. They need to be more careful how they produce a propostition really.

Its a little unfair to say the FIA are brushing it off like i am, i didnt just read this thread and flip a coin to see what argument id support. Ive looked at all whats been said, and the only FAIR way to go about it, is copying the wing. It may go down like bad medicine but its the only way, now the wings are deemed legal. Do i like the decision that they are deemed legal, HELL NO! But i get on with it, the option now is to moan about say mclaren not doing their best to copy it. We dont even know how much of a performance gain it gives!

[stonemonkey]

I don't know if that was in reply to me Scotty but I'm meaning a different test.

[F1er]

That looks like a test 3rd graders in wood shop class do. I will lay down a dime and say when all the teams get their flex on, the FIA will revise their tests,and deem the wings dangerous.

[nish2280]

I'm getting quite sick of being told what we can and can't discuss. It's a Forum. We can discuss whatever aspect of Formula One we want. If you don't think it's a relevant or informed discussion, you're quite free to not read it. There is no need whatsoever to have a go at people for debating the hot topic in the sport at the moment.

Nobody (at least im not) is saying that. You can discuss the wing as much as you like. But when theres a collective mouthing off about how stupid the FIA are to not spot it............That aint gravy. Im pretty, pretty sure they know whats going on. But if they passed the test, what should they do, declare a dictatorship-style emergency rule and ban everything on how it looks? It doesnt matter how much the wing flexes in pictures or videos or comparisons to Mclarens (which also flexes) What matters, is that when push comes to shove and the wings legaity is TESTED, the only fair way of determining its legality, they passed as LEGAL. Should be end of story in that respect. What should be debated is the inadequacy of the tests. Which has been mentioned like once, the rest is just bear-baiting of the FIA.

I dont know why you say McLarens wing is flexing where is your proof that it is flexing to an illegal amount? do you even know what you are talking about?
Id like Charlie whiting to explain the photo evidence of Redbull wings, your so called FIA experts are just brushing it off just like you are, "it passes the test so is legal" fairly unintelligible and irrational approach if you ask me. The facts are Redbulls wing/nose is flexing to an ILLEGAL amount. Moveable aero is illegal you have seen the photos I cannot fathom how any sane person can defend this other than a Redbull fan or a

So then what approach would you like them to take?

Would you prefer the "it passes the tests, follows the regulations but that guy 'Bud' on Forumula1.com says its illegal so it is"

Or the "It passes the tests, Follows the regulations but no one is smart enough to figure out how and therefore it is illegal.

Please go read this article and realize that the wing does not defy any rules or regulations.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/31032011/23/whiting-nothing-illegal-red-bull-wing.html