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[bud]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.

for that to work the FIA would have to transport all the parts to be sure they are ok. Scrutineering is always done at the track to test the exact car used on the day.

[Jensonb]

I think i said this last year when this ridiculous discussion was going on about flexi wings.

If the front wing, or nose as many of you are now concluding, flexes then it's structural integrity is diminished.

Now think back to Spa 2010, Vettel T-bones Button. Button takes massive radiator damage, vettel limps into the pits WITH NOSE INTACT. Wing, broken off, however, nose is still attached. One would typically expect the nose, normally under massive loads which are strong enough to cause it to flex, to break off with such a strong impact.

This can allow you to draw two conclusions:
1. The area which undergoes stress allowing the wing to become lower is the two pillars which attache the nose to the wing.
2. The front wing and nose do not undergo stress causing the front end of the car to lower.

If you remember there were even rumours about RedBull using a hydraulic system to lower the car, which now would seem ludicrous. RedBull's engineers are very smart, it is an insult if we pretend to understand their ingenuity.

That's a pretty big leap. Just because the nose is flexing doesn't mean it's going to break off in an impact. In fact, flexing at the joint makes it more likely that the nose connection would absorb the shock - there's a reason strong glass bends.

Always seems to come back to that incident...It's the first of the smoking guns. Spankyham and others in this thread have shown the more recent, definitive ones. But to this day, the massively unusual behaviour of Vettel's front wing during that incident sticks out to me as proof of something untoward. The whole thing stank to high heaven.

[texasmr2]

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.

The first part imho is a good idea but testing each car before each race is not financialy feasible with all the cost cutting.

[nish2280]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.

for that to work the FIA would have to transport all the parts to be sure they are ok. Scrutineering is always done at the track to test the exact car used on the day.

It would stop you guys from trying to be armchair engineers who think they are smarter than the FIA.

[killem2]

If they find them in violation they should have to race in a go kart for the following race with a dunce hat.

[Hammer278]

Vettel might still stick it on pole. And then crash in the race. Webber will be slower and complain his dunce hat isn't as aerodynamic as Vettels.

[bud]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.

for that to work the FIA would have to transport all the parts to be sure they are ok. Scrutineering is always done at the track to test the exact car used on the day.

It would stop you guys from trying to be armchair engineers who think they are smarter than the FIA.

I dont engineer armchairs thank you very much wise guy

[FRAFPDD]

So it's FIA conspiracy now?

All these analogies are completely unsuitable to F1 car design. This is seriously comparable to a guy robbing an old lady and stealing her money? Just... wow... *double facepalm*

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where this invisible line is that Red Bull have supposedly crossed with regard to flexiness at racing speed. Some people are arguing that the rules say the wings aren't allowed to flex, but all the cars do really, and that is acceptable, although we can see that the cars deflect to differing extents. So where the hell is this turning point for Red Bull? Is it clearly defined in the rules? If not, then how can you seriously question this car compared to all the others, given that there's actually no parameter set to even suggest this car is illegal.

Spot on.

All the wings move, id be suprised if under such a load a wing didnt move, but although you have photos to say: look red bulls wing is flexing more, Where in the rules was it said that they all have to flex the same? It doesnt is the answer. And considering all the cars wings DO flex, whether a lot or not, would render everyone critical of RB's wing a hypocrite.

[nish2280]

How would you even monitor this if they made it change to the rule? Force sensors under the wing to keep track of telemetry?

Yes, that would be one way, or, perhaps better simulate what happens. Do the test on the complete car and apply a lateral force to the wing and nose to simulate the car moving - that might do the trick.

Windtunnel?

be tough to bring one of them to every race track

Use a wormhole for quick transport

News Flash!!! You can apply a lateral force in ways other than a wind tunnel. Here's just one totally crazy "off the wall thought" you see in the picture I posted (of the current FW flex test), how they apply the downward force to the wing now, do ya thunk they could ever invent a way to do that sideways?

Na na, you're right, wind tunnel is the simpler way to go

The FIA can have their designated wind tunnel, probably based somewhere in europe, where all teams must have their components homologated before being sent out to the appropriate track.

for that to work the FIA would have to transport all the parts to be sure they are ok. Scrutineering is always done at the track to test the exact car used on the day.

It would stop you guys from trying to be armchair engineers who think they are smarter than the FIA.

I dont engineer armchairs thank you very much wise guy

[texasmr2]

^^^ that is funny bud comes up with some of the best stuff !

In reality WE ARE ALL ARMCHAIR WARRIORS so all we can do is express opinions so lets have fun!

[killem2]

I'm a sofa samurai.

[Jensonb]

It would stop you guys from trying to be armchair engineers who think they are smarter than the FIA.

I resent that.

I don't own an armchair.

[Denthúl]

It would stop you guys from trying to be armchair engineers who think they are smarter than the FIA.

Well, I own an armchair and according to my job title, I'm an engineer*...


* I don't agree with this, before anyone starts.

[nish2280]

^^^ that is funny bud comes up with some of the best stuff !

In reality WE ARE ALL ARMCHAIR WARRIORS so all we can do is express opinions so lets have fun!

Its different to sit around claiming you know the secrets to RedBull's success while some of the best mechanics and engineers work their butts off trying to figure it out than giving your opinion to why you think Kobayashi will be more successful at Ferrari than Massa.

For being figuring out Redbull's secrets you need extensive knowledge, stuff that people spend years studying and slowly acquiring and then a simpleton going by the user name of "rango232" comes along and says its because of component X and that the FiA dont know what they are doing.

[texasmr2]

Hence the 'armchair warrior' implication . Possibly a more appropriate statement would read as follows "I'm no F1 engineer but I did sleep at a Holliday Inn Express last night so don't FAWK WITH ME!!!" ?!?!?!?