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[Hammer278]

Just a correction, before Vettel was all four wheels of the track, his nose was already ahead. This means he maintained advantage, not gained.

As for Jensons poor pace all weekend, I'm sure its part of the 'bigger picture', maybe saving his tyres or some part of the car for Malaysia where he will surely win.

[Gaz]

Just a correction, before Vettel was all four wheels of the track, his nose was already ahead. This means he maintained advantage, not gained.

As for Jensons poor pace all weekend, I'm sure its part of the 'bigger picture', maybe saving his tyres or some part of the car for Malaysia where he will surely win.

Lewis, France 2008, he got a penalty for the same thing

[Hammer278]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

[Jensonb]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

Hence Buemi escaped penalty for doing the same thing Button did

[Gaz]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

Hence Buemi escaped penalty for doing the same thing Button did

Because Buemi wasn't overtaking an FIArrari perhaps?

[Jensonb]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

Hence Buemi escaped penalty for doing the same thing Button did

Because Buemi wasn't overtaking an FIArrari perhaps?

Who knows, doesn't matter a great deal either way, inconsistency of any sort is unacceptable.

I really think anyone considered to maintain or gain an advantage by exceeding the track limits should be told to yield, or if that is impossible, given a 5 Second Time Penalty - making the punishment more closely fit the crime and applying it consistently.

[scotty]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

Hence Buemi escaped penalty for doing the same thing Button did

Because Buemi wasn't overtaking an FIArrari perhaps?

Haha were you the guy who tweeted on the forum implicating something similar? I can't believe someone would actually think it was Ferrari's doing, that really is stretching it... *facepalm* Button/McLaren obviously didn't learn from Alonso's incident last year. It was a bit harsh that Buemi and Vettel's excursions basically got no mention, although admittedly they weren't quite in the same vein. Button's pace was very good in the race from what i saw, though.

[Jensonb]

Well, as you know, 'consistency' and F1 stewards rarely go hand in hand.

Hence Buemi escaped penalty for doing the same thing Button did

Because Buemi wasn't overtaking an FIArrari perhaps?

Haha were you the guy who tweeted on the forum implicating something similar? I can't believe someone would actually think it was Ferrari's doing

I think the implication is more that the FIA and their stewards are biased to Ferrari of their own accord than that the FIA can be influenced actively by Ferrari. I'm not sure I buy it myself, the FIA doesn't need an excuse to be incompetent, they're pretty good at it on their own.

[FRAFPDD]

His pace was there, but that DRS didnt mean s*it against Massa on the straight, wtf was that about?


Im wondering where Jenson would have finished if he had given the place back? Anyone?

[Jensonb]

His pace was there, but that DRS didnt mean s*it against Massa on the straight, wtf was that about?


Im wondering where Jenson would have finished if he had given the place back? Anyone?

You're right about the DRS. The only way Jenson was able to overtake Massa and Kobayashi with it later in the race was by deploying it, then deploying KERS after crossing the start/finish then closing the DRS slightly early and outbraking them.

Around P3. It'd have been touch and go, but in that scenario he'd also have avoided some traffic gaining some time. So P3 is the likely result.

[FRAFPDD]

His pace was there, but that DRS didnt mean s*it against Massa on the straight, wtf was that about?


Im wondering where Jenson would have finished if he had given the place back? Anyone?

You're right about the DRS. The only way Jenson was able to overtake Massa and Kobayashi with it later in the race was by deploying it, then deploying KERS after crossing the start/finish then closing the DRS slightly early and outbraking them.

Around P3. It'd have been touch and go, but in that scenario he'd also have avoided some traffic gaining some time. So P3 is the likely result.

Right, so why on the hell did mr tactical think it was a good idea to just not give the place back?

Theres nobody to really blame in such a blatant corner cut overtake and subsequent refusal to give position back, then Jenson, there really isnt. Just gonna have to grin and bear the result for two weeks until Malaysia.

[scotty]

I think the implication is more that the FIA and their stewards are biased to Ferrari of their own accord than that the FIA can be influenced actively by Ferrari. I'm not sure I buy it myself, the FIA doesn't need an excuse to be incompetent, they're pretty good at it on their own.

Given that Herbert was on the panel, i find such a claim quite dubious at best (unlike a couple of years ago). Incompetent, inconsistent and all considered, it doesn't actually change the fact that Button did clearly break the rules - and McLaren failed to do the quite glaringly logical thing of telling Button to give the place back. He was always going to get a penalty otherwise, i honestly don't see how anyone could not have predicted that.

As for Button not having had to do the drive through, he could quite easily have gotten on the podium i reckon.

[Jensonb]

His pace was there, but that DRS didnt mean s*it against Massa on the straight, wtf was that about?


Im wondering where Jenson would have finished if he had given the place back? Anyone?

You're right about the DRS. The only way Jenson was able to overtake Massa and Kobayashi with it later in the race was by deploying it, then deploying KERS after crossing the start/finish then closing the DRS slightly early and outbraking them.

Around P3. It'd have been touch and go, but in that scenario he'd also have avoided some traffic gaining some time. So P3 is the likely result.

Right, so why on the hell did mr tactical think it was a good idea to just not give the place back?

He radioed the team, they radioed Race Control and were told they (Race Control) would get back to them about it, so the team told Jenson to hold station. It's the McLaren procedure.

[F1er]

Jenson got screwed by Ferrari dirty play.
Massa holds him up till Alonso catches up
JB sees that gets overly aggressive passes illegaly
Massa (being Alonsos LAP DOG) lets him by
Massa pits


Jenson is in no man land and has to take the hit.
My respect for Massa just

[ivey]

Imo this isn't even a debate, Jenson SHOULD HAVE given the place back. In today's F1 they don't have a any way to punsih him any other way, is there?