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[MattMK45]

Red Bull using a start only KERS system, clever clogs.

KERS is only meant to provide 2 or 3 tenths a lap anyway. I was actually thinking about this the other day, and considering the amount of money it takes to develop KERS, it would be considerably more cost effective to drag 2 or 3 tenths out of the aero package. Plus with no KERS, cars would be more reliable and having less of those braking troubles. So why use KERS. Most teams didn't in 2009, so why change that in 2011.

Course, I remembered the advantage the KERS cars had of the start in 09. But with Red Bull, its not like they need that extra few tenths. They can afford to have a more reliable car. It's smart move on their part I think.

Maybe they will be as rapid off the line as the renaults were in 2004!

[stonemonkey]

How is the RB KERS charged for the start?

Either they are fully charged for the start of the race or they get charged up on the parade lap.

But in 09 they were always fully charged at the start. I remember Alonso in 09 losing 4 places at the start of Monza only get them back before the first corner.

The light weight Red Bull KERS has no charging mechanism. The teams are allowed to charge the batteries as they leave the pits. And of course this is the "green" effect so many people are baying for - batteries that are good for one use

So where's the Kinetic Energy Recovery part of it?

[oaba09]

I have a gut feeling that this season will be the same as last season....a three way race between red bull, mclaren, and alonso(I deliberately excluded massa)...

Great perfomance by vettel and lewis today...
Should be an exciting race tomorrow...

[Hexagram]

How is the RB KERS charged for the start?

Either they are fully charged for the start of the race or they get charged up on the parade lap.

But in 09 they were always fully charged at the start. I remember Alonso in 09 losing 4 places at the start of Monza only get them back before the first corner.

The light weight Red Bull KERS has no charging mechanism. The teams are allowed to charge the batteries as they leave the pits. And of course this is the "green" effect so many people are baying for - batteries that are good for one use

So where's the Kinetic Energy Recovery part of it?

Is KERS mandatory this year?

[scotty]

Interesting to see quite a few drivers saying they could have gone faster but for various dramas.

Is KERS mandatory this year?

Nope, none of the old new teams are using it...

[vaptin]

Haven't really read the thread,

I'm just gonna keep repeating: "they give out the points at the end of the race, not after qualifying" to myself; along with "its just the first race", and I might avoid throttling someone.

That absolute piece of s***, its a dog.

[stonemonkey]

How is the RB KERS charged for the start?

Either they are fully charged for the start of the race or they get charged up on the parade lap.

But in 09 they were always fully charged at the start. I remember Alonso in 09 losing 4 places at the start of Monza only get them back before the first corner.

The light weight Red Bull KERS has no charging mechanism. The teams are allowed to charge the batteries as they leave the pits. And of course this is the "green" effect so many people are baying for - batteries that are good for one use

So where's the Kinetic Energy Recovery part of it?

Is KERS mandatory this year?

What I mean is, they can't call it KERS, it's some other engine supplement.

[FRAFPDD]

Haven't really read the thread,

I'm just gonna keep repeating: "they give out the points at the end of the race, not after qualifying" to myself; along with "its just the first race", and I might avoid throttling someone.

That absolute piece of s***, its a dog.

I guess thats my cue as a Mclaren fan to turn the tables on testing and say, "its probably not that bad"


Seriously though, whats wrong with 5th place, first race.

[vaptin]

Haven't really read the thread,

I'm just gonna keep repeating: "they give out the points at the end of the race, not after qualifying" to myself; along with "its just the first race", and I might avoid throttling someone.

That absolute piece of s***, its a dog.

I guess thats my cue as a Mclaren fan to turn the tables on testing and say, "its probably not that bad"


Seriously though, whats wrong with 5th place, first race.

He saved the car, fantastic driver, one of those times when it was clear he was putting the car through corners faster than it wanted to go and just holding the slide, and it looked like Renault in 09.
Massa, slipped on the outlap, and he looked terrified all session. Always been inconsistent though, and Australia isn't really one of his good tracks.

Nah, it probably isn't that bad, I guess race pace will be a lot better, and there's still gotta be fundamental pace in that car, guess it was tyres today - Alonso mentioned grip. Car too easy on its tyres for these temperatures?

[Hexagram]

How is the RB KERS charged for the start?

Either they are fully charged for the start of the race or they get charged up on the parade lap.

But in 09 they were always fully charged at the start. I remember Alonso in 09 losing 4 places at the start of Monza only get them back before the first corner.

The light weight Red Bull KERS has no charging mechanism. The teams are allowed to charge the batteries as they leave the pits. And of course this is the "green" effect so many people are baying for - batteries that are good for one use

So where's the Kinetic Energy Recovery part of it?

Is KERS mandatory this year?

What I mean is, they can't call it KERS, it's some other engine supplement.

Well that's my point, is it legal then?

[FRAFPDD]

i dont know youve lost me now, i just hope the trend of Alonso finishing quali and race behind Lewis continues to be honest, one less fiend to worry about. I can only hope this was a one off, or two off, with Vettels pole time. I really think itd be a travesty i honestly do despite his talent, if Vettel had more titles then Lewis and the same as Alonso at the end of this year. In the same way mario andretti has the same amount as Nigel Mansell .


Ive kind of taken a bit more of an uncaring style of my F1, if Lewis had qualified 4th/5th and finished the race there itd of been a bonus. Just dont want the red bull to be as dominant as 2010.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

I would assume he'd get it every lap just the battery isn't actually of a high enough capacity to do the full 7 seconds. Unless they are going extreme on the weigh saving and actually not running the car with a charging mechanism and just pre-charging it before it leaves the garage. So you get the boost of KERS when it really counts off the line but less of the weight and none of the difficulties it adds to the cars feeling under braking....

Quite a bold strategy by RBR. Horner and Newey are gambling their cars (at least Vettel's car) always will be faster enough so they will suffer no disadvantage from the lack of CURSE during the bulk of the race.

The TR state energy "may be recovered" by CURSE (TR 5.2.2) but it nowhere can I find is stipulated that it must be. So as far as I can tell, a total loss system is not prohibited. This would increase flexibility in the placement of the CURSE, as well as eliminate its interfering with the driver's braking modulation.

Did anyone else notice the cause of Sutil's spin in Q2? Watch the replay and quite clearly you can see the gap in the MWR opened before he was pointed down the straight. He gave up the downforce before he had the mechanical grip to offset it.

[texasmr2]

That makes sense as I was wondering what the heck caused his spin.

[vaptin]

Redbull look like they'll walk the season, unless it was a one off with Ferrari, and they're actually in good shape - or McLaren hold on before they get their original configuration working and its a fast one.

The midfield battle looks interesting, , but Sauber, Williams, Force India and Torro Rosso look tightly bunched. Probably be a split battle, with the rookies against each other, and the more experienced drivers competing with each other. Think Torro Rosso might loose out there.

[texasmr2]

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