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[Jamie]

and a fit stoner on a fast bike has beaten a fit Rossi on a fast bike whats your point?

also Rossi on a slow bike has beaten Stoner on a fast bike as well, just to put that out there

People do seem to place Rossi on this demi god status and anyone else that comes along with talent its all down to the bike. People underestimate Casey's talents.

He IS a demi God

Point is that Rossi is still the Dog, Casey will have to sustain this for year 2015 to be considered in his league.

Coming to the season, i don't particularly consider Qatar as a worthy track, its silly. its at night, and hardly points to whats to come later on. (other than the points that is)
Also Stoner always has these ridiculous dominating practice/qualifying weekends and looks ominous for the race then ends up coming 2nd-3rd or out of races. This has happened like more than dozen times in last 2+ years.
Still not convinced by him for that reason.

If Rossi is unable to recover in time, its going to be Lorenzo again, He's far more consistent (provided also the bike development is on track). Bike supremacy is not the be-and-end-all of Championship. Consistency matters more.

No he is just talented, but at the end of the day the men are as only goos as there machines. Stoner is amazing, any one stuburn enough not to accept that is just 'Blind' you can't deny his pure precisioned perfectionist ways can and will dominate the 2011 season. He has proven himself on the Honda and will again, What you also need to look @ is 2 other men were riding that bike! Lorenzo beat Pedrosa, how ever you want to cover it up, he did! So it proves that Stoner is better than Pedrosa, If you put Lorenzo against Stoner. Stoner will win, he is amazing. Now if Rossi won you would not say it is a silly race. But to put it in terms you understand, Rossi has claimed Stoner & Lorenzo to be his hardest enemies on track. Lorenzo is good, but not Stoner good! Stoner is the only man after eight years to put the Honda 1st in the opening round of moto gp! The last man was Rossi. Which therefore put Stoner in the leagues of Rossi. Even if Rossi can get to grips with this bike, Stoner is just match made in heaven with the HRC RC212V. I can't see Rossi touching him! Rossi is good, but no one should put him on the pedestal because people have beat him! & this year you will see 3 people beating him, IE Spies,Stoner & Lorenzo.

As for Lorenzo being more consistant, I don't want to insult Lorenzo, As he is one of my favourite riders but in consistant terms? In 2009 when I was siding with him, He was not consistant in any way or form, falling off like who knows what?

2010 he was consistant but he was under no preasure, the closest was Pedrosa? But he could handle the midget.

he cannot handle the Doctor nor can he cannot handle the OZ Kangaroo!!!

that's ok if you believe that, i am an athiest, there are no gods! only men.

I'll say it again Casey gets under rated way to much, mostly by Rossi fans it would seem. Hope ya'll will eat humble pie, it's a lot easier going for the guy with so many titles.

Perfectly put, It is easier going with the guy with 7 titles? But Stoner has beat Rossi! Simple as that. In 2011 you can see Stoner riding Pedrosa's bike and beating the 2010 WRC. Rossi is riding Stoners bike? In which Stoner beat Lorenzo last few rounds of 2010?

SO that all means Stoner is better than Pedrosa,Lorenzo & the Doctor?

No?


- Man I am MOTOGP Mad! I know my stuff.

[DOOOMKULTUS]

BTW @bud, greeting from a fellow atheist here as well, there are too few of us

Race was not silly 'coz Rossi didn't win, Its the whole thing, i just don't like Qatar GP, the track, night thing.

Rossi is not driving Casey's machine, neither is Stoner riding Pedrosa's, these machines has undergone slight to massive makeovers in various areas. Not the same AT all.

Being just as talented don't mean that much at the end of the day really, One is judged against history, Stoner needs to show consistency till year 2015 till i even consider him in Rossi's league. (Unless he is Aryton Senna class then the rest don't matter)
Hayden won World title against Rossi as well, I don't think Hayden is better than Rossi, that season Hayden had a good package but most of all he was consistent (even Pedrosa taking out Hayden in penultimate race didn't prevent him from winning the title)

Lorenzo has matured immensely. He has atleast shown that he understands the bigger picture now, Casey i am afraid has not so far, if he had, he would be a double World Champ by now, His Ducati of 2009 was an insane package, and at many tracks (6 or so) He was in a league with the Gods so to speak. (even with the medical issue he had, he lost it that season himself.)
This season i don't see it any different, he's on a superior bike but going by history hes been beaten even when he has that presumed advantage,

Ofcouse he is good and can dominate and win the title BUT of what i have seen in these years its not that simplistic for me atleast,
He isn't under-rated in my book, He just has to prove to me he isn't under performing every 3rd race.

[darwin dali]

- Man I am MOTOGP Mad! I know my stuff.

[Jamie]

BTW @bud, greeting from a fellow atheist here as well, there are too few of us

Race was not silly 'coz Rossi didn't win, Its the whole thing, i just don't like Qatar GP, the track, night thing.

Rossi is not driving Casey's machine, neither is Stoner riding Pedrosa's, these machines has undergone slight to massive makeovers in various areas. Not the same AT all.

Being just as talented don't mean that much at the end of the day really, One is judged against history, Stoner needs to show consistency till year 2015 till i even consider him in Rossi's league. (Unless he is Aryton Senna class then the rest don't matter)
Hayden won World title against Rossi as well, I don't think Hayden is better than Rossi, that season Hayden had a good package but most of all he was consistent (even Pedrosa taking out Hayden in penultimate race didn't prevent him from winning the title)

Lorenzo has matured immensely. He has atleast shown that he understands the bigger picture now, Casey i am afraid has not so far, if he had, he would be a double World Champ by now, His Ducati of 2009 was an insane package, and at many tracks (6 or so) He was in a league with the Gods so to speak. (even with the medical issue he had, he lost it that season himself.)
This season i don't see it any different, he's on a superior bike but going by history hes been beaten even when he has that presumed advantage,

Ofcouse he is good and can dominate and win the title BUT of what i have seen in these years its not that simplistic for me atleast,
He isn't under-rated in my book, He just has to prove to me he isn't under performing every 3rd race.

Well to prevent myself getting into yet again a long winded exlpaination. Stoner can prove himself then with a team and the right machine. Rossi hay nave dominated that much for the fact he had the right tema IE Yamaha. Everyone needs that right team. IE Schumacher and so fourth. No body in the history of ever will be a Senna like person due to his philosphy in life and the way he was personally. But that is F1 this is Moto Gp. Given Stoner in 2009, he had an immense season but it wasn't to be. Like Lorenzo wasn't to be in 2009. But I believe given Stoner has the right team in which I believe Honda are, then he will be dominant, In 5 years he could equal to Rossi but Rossi has a different impact on people, People just liek him not only for his amazing talent but for his personallity, that I respect? I myself Love Rossi, he isn't just a talented rider. He is an amazing idol! & inspiring person to look at. But given this, Stoner has a 'OFF' personallity, he is precist and needs things his way? In which people find agravating. Given this this makes him only a human and a competitve sportsman, which you have to be? I honestly believe Stoner has fount the right team in which he can grow and have an impact. Lorenzo had a lucky season, he admitted this and said it was a little tainted but it still is a 2010 WRC on his CV? So tainted or not he still win which is fair. Stoner won his title through sheer talent and brilliance, just liek he will win the rest of the titles in his fourth coming years! HRC have alwasy had an amazing package, they just needed the right rider. GOSH FORBID it be Pedrosa, as I think he is useless and a little boring. Stoner is brilliant and is determined which makes him interestign to watch! he is not yet in the league of Rossi, But he is in the top 3 best riders this season and Rossi says he is on of his biggest arch nemesis on the track. For the so called great to say that? You should listen and accept Stoner is amazing.


This is long winded and I said I wouldn't, but I got carried away. Figures show Stoner is a good rider? In Rossi's eyes he his a talented, ruthless hard rider!


Also pre-season testing Stoner rode Pedrosa's bike and was consistantly faster than Pedrosa, Lorenzo! Which he was sportign a "OZ" livery.

Beside the point of which I am making, Stoner is a pure talent, titles count for nothing! Luck and Talent. Rossi seems to have the most luck! But give nwhen he is better, he will not be winning races in 2011. Mark my word!

[Frontrunner]

If Rossi doesn't win a this year on that ducati it we will show that Rossi is human and will also shows how good Stoner really is.

if you take away all caseys poduims away from 2008,09 and 10 there has only been three other podiums from another Ducati rider that i can think of and that has been all from Nicky Hayden. The Ducati is a hard beast to tame and to get the pace out of it you have to ride on the very edge and if you cross that edge the front end will just wave bye bye and crash like all Ducati riders found out in the last 2-3 years at some stage.

I think Ducati would prefer to have Stoner back than this God called Rossi on there bike. Rossi will struggle on that bike where as Casey can drag a race win out of it here and there. Casey has said that the Honda is so easy to ride, if that the case, you better watch out!

[Jamie]

If Rossi doesn't win a this year on that ducati it we will show that Rossi is human and will also shows how good Stoner really is.

if you take away all caseys poduims away from 2008,09 and 10 there has only been three other podiums from another Ducati rider that i can think of and that has been all from Nicky Hayden. The Ducati is a hard beast to tame and to get the pace out of it you have to ride on the very edge and if you cross that edge the front end will just wave bye bye and crash like all Ducati riders found out in the last 2-3 years at some stage.

I think Ducati would prefer to have Stoner back than this God called Rossi on there bike. Rossi will struggle on that bike where as Casey can drag a race win out of it here and there. Casey has said that the Honda is so easy to ride, if that the case, you better watch out!

Thankyou, I think the Ducati is one of the hardest bikes to ride? Both Rossi & Hayden won a title with Honda yet they both cannot win with a Ducati. It is a monster to ride and Rossi will struggle until they can make that bike for "him" but then you are alienating Hayden....Stoner was the man who could drag it's arse round the track and on to the podium! Rossi was dominant on a Yamaha and Honda, both Jap? Italian stallion is a complelty different ball game. End off! Stoner has won on a Ducati and has dominated. If Rossi has rode on some of the best but easiest machinery to ride? He has had a easy ride and Stoner won his title on the hardest bike to ride to date....Now hes On a Honda, a easy bike? That works for him? Honda respect him and will make him very 'Comfortable' then you better watch out because that beautiful orange machine is coming past your wing mirror now!!!!!!!!!


Also to add, The last person to win the opening round to a MotoGP season on a Honda was Rossi back in 2003. Now in 2011 Stoner has broke that barrier and has won the first race....Now get set to see Stoner as your 2011 WRC!!

[DOOOMKULTUS]

To much presumptions going on here, should we just hand the title and go right to season 2012?

I shall mark your words indeed my friend, season is long and Hayden has shown great ability to chicken things up throughout his career and we'll see see how abysmal Rossi is after-all.

[texasmr2]

To much presumptions going on here, should we just hand the title and go right to season 2012?

I shall mark your words indeed my friend, season is long and Hayden has shown great ability to chicken things up throughout his career and we'll see see how abysmal Rossi is after-all.

DOOM wtf's up mang?? Have not seen you around in quite sometime.

[Jamie]

To much presumptions going on here, should we just hand the title and go right to season 2012?

I shall mark your words indeed my friend, season is long and Hayden has shown great ability to chicken things up throughout his career and we'll see see how abysmal Rossi is after-all.

My friend, It is as clear as the day is long that Stoner is going to be un-stopable. It is Vettel in his RBR, Button in his Brawn? Schumi in his Ferrari, Rossi on his Yamaha, Every sportsman will one day find the team that just clicks. Ronaldo & Man UTD! He will win, win win and he will get this title. He will have a few hick ups along the way but who doesn't end of the day.

Stoner + Honda RC212V = 2011 WRC

[DOOOMKULTUS]

DOOM wtf's up mang?? Have not seen you around in quite sometime.

I was in off-season mate


In keeping with the Footballing analogies, Rossi is like The Messi, unless you get him in under a crap national team manager, you can't stop him no matter what you do or think.

[racechick]

Of course im not saying Stoner cant ride, he clearly can. But he isnt a rossi. And the bikes they are riding this year are not last year's bikes. I can remember Stonner falling off loads of times when Rossi pressured him.
Rossi carries injury and hasnt developed the bike yet. He developed the Honda and won and the Yamaha and won, its the first race and he's injured. Rossi is saying May at earliest for his recovery. The Bike?? who knows.. He was still best Ducatti rider even with the injury. None of them are in Rossi's league yet.

[F1er]

Stoner will demolish the competition this year and make them look silly in the process.FastestMan+FastestBike=

[vlad]

He is strong as hell! I think his only competition will be Lorenzo, Pedrossa and maybe Rossi...

[F1er]

Stoner is unbeatable in a fast bike.He made Dani look like a 10yr old amateur,and I'm not buying the "pain'' crap,Dani always has a good start/mid race and is a crappy finisher.

A fit Rossi on a fast bike would beat Stoner......and has done.
Danni's tiny thats why he starts well and is less good under breaking. Didnt he overtake Stoner during the race?? Hardly a 10yr old amateur if Stoner is a good as you think he is.

I've been a Vali fan all his career,we're the same age but I cant deny the obvious,Stoner is superfast and I think he has matured from the mental beating Vali gave him 2 years ago.Now that Casey has a monster bike I think he will crush the opposition.Yes Dani passed him,so what,when Casey passed him back he pulled 1.5 seconds in one lap on the same bike.
That tells me all I need to know

[Jamie]

Stoner is unbeatable in a fast bike.He made Dani look like a 10yr old amateur,and I'm not buying the "pain'' crap,Dani always has a good start/mid race and is a crappy finisher.

A fit Rossi on a fast bike would beat Stoner......and has done.
Danni's tiny thats why he starts well and is less good under breaking. Didnt he overtake Stoner during the race?? Hardly a 10yr old amateur if Stoner is a good as you think he is.

I've been a Vali fan all his career,we're the same age but I cant deny the obvious,Stoner is superfast and I think he has matured from the mental beating Vali gave him 2 years ago.Now that Casey has a monster bike I think he will crush the opposition.Yes Dani passed him,so what,when Casey passed him back he pulled 1.5 seconds in one lap on the same bike.
That tells me all I need to know

That is what I was saying, they both ride the same bike and Stoner demolished Pedrosa & Lorenzo, yet Lorenzo passed Pedrosa? That proves Lorenzo in talent wise if far more superior to that of Dani, Pedrosa does not have a chance against the likes of Stoner? Lorenzo has a chance given the right day and set up, he is strong mentally and physically.

Rossi is very talented, but I am not going to say he is the best rider at the moment, because his titles are in the past, if he does not win this year then that is 2 years he would of not won a title and that is the longest he has ever gone!

He is strong as hell! I think his only competition will be Lorenzo, Pedrossa and maybe Rossi...

Agree, But I don't with Pedrossa? He's not my cup of Coffee. He is not strong enough, he can only win if eh pulls a gap...Even now that will be hard with Stoner there, I think into the season 6 or more races so Spies will be there, I can't undermine the Texas Terror, He is a pure talent. He just has to get back into the swing of things but liek they say the Yamaha is on pure feel and smoothness, Honda is all about the pure speed and aerodynamics of dominance. It will be a hard year for Yamaha & Ducati.


Also on another note;
Simoncelli? If he rides like that, Dovi will be out, You cannot deny that Simoncelli is amazing, he is just one of the best riders I have seen in a long time. He really is like Rossi! Next Generation Rossi, Like Vettel is the next Schumi

Stoner + HRC are a dream team, The team respect him! He really will win the 2011 WRC. You heard it here first!