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[killem2]

Just curious.

[scotty]

Yep. Movable aerodynamics...

[killem2]

Yep. Movable aerodynamics...

That was fast! Thanks! Didn't know that is what that would be considered to be!

[myownalias]

Ah but here's the trick; a rear moveable wing is allowed this year; could that not be used to such an effect at the end of a straight for additional braking assistance?

[FRAFPDD]

Ah but here's the trick; a rear moveable wing is allowed this year; could that not be used to such an effect at the end of a straight for additional braking assistance?

Only if you start judging whether it makes a difference from a moment where its fully retracted ( open), cause for the most part of the race its in the same place, and if you count from its starting position, or closed, then it makes no difference, cause its in the same place.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

killem2, if you knew what an air brake is -- what makes it an air brake and what its preferred application is -- you wouldn't bother to ask.

You can find the regulations themselves here and read them for yourself.

[killem2]

killem2, if you knew what an air brake is -- what makes it an air brake and what its preferred application is -- you wouldn't bother to ask.

You can find the regulations themselves here and read them for yourself.

I knew what an air break is in the sense, Jeremy Clarkson saying when the stig took the Bugatti Veyron SS "Then the stig using all that air brake going into hammer head."


That's about it.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Clarkson, as he often does, was speaking metaphorically.

[killem2]

Clarkson, as he often does, was speaking metaphorically.

it appeared quite literally, as I saw a flap stick up when he went into it, which is where I assumed that's what an air brake was. I'm fairly familiar with most parts on a car, but when they get applied in F1 it's hard to imagine where they would go, since F1 cars, don't exactly resemble.. a car in the traditional sense.

[tco]

The OP could have been referring to air-operated brakes. If not, I am old enough to remember the air dams which appeared on the Mercedes cars at Le Mans all those years ago, resembling a boot lid opening the wrong way. I am not sure that Stirling Moss was over impressed with them.

Edit: - Typo

[myownalias]

Ah but here's the trick; a rear moveable wing is allowed this year; could that not be used to such an effect at the end of a straight for additional braking assistance?

Only if you start judging whether it makes a difference from a moment where its fully retracted ( open), cause for the most part of the race its in the same place, and if you count from its starting position, or closed, then it makes no difference, cause its in the same place.

When the moveable wing is "in use" it reduces drag; so when released there is more drag which will slow the car in the same way the car will start to slow after pulling out of the slipstream of another car; what I am saying is if a driver is using the wing in closed position to make an overtake; when alongside he could disengage the wing a little earlier to gain a little better braking performance with the additional drag. True I don't what effect this would have on braking but more drag = more slowing down power, like a parachute on a much smaller scale!

[vaptin]

Ah but here's the trick; a rear moveable wing is allowed this year; could that not be used to such an effect at the end of a straight for additional braking assistance?

Only if you start judging whether it makes a difference from a moment where its fully retracted ( open), cause for the most part of the race its in the same place, and if you count from its starting position, or closed, then it makes no difference, cause its in the same place.

When the moveable wing is "in use" it reduces drag; so when released there is more drag which will slow the car in the same way the car will start to slow after pulling out of the slipstream of another car; what I am saying is if a driver is using the wing in closed position to make an overtake; when alongside he could disengage the wing a little earlier to gain a little better braking performance with the additional drag. True I don't what effect this would have on braking but more drag = more slowing down power, like a parachute on a much smaller scale!

Wouldn't it only be additional drag relative to the open position though? So compared to the driver who they're trying to overtake (with a fully closed rear wing) they'll still have less drag, just the difference would be less than keeping the wing fully open.

Haven't checked the regs, but I'm not sure if the rear wing is even allowed more than two (open and closed) states?

[stonemonkey]

killem2, if you knew what an air brake is -- what makes it an air brake and what its preferred application is -- you wouldn't bother to ask.

You can find the regulations themselves here and read them for yourself.

I knew what an air break is in the sense, Jeremy Clarkson saying when the stig took the Bugatti Veyron SS "Then the stig using all that air brake going into hammer head."


That's about it.

The SLS AMG does something like that too, the angle of the rear flap is increased which increases the air resistance to slow the car down and also gives more rear downforce so the wheels can brake harder.

EDIT, Not the SLS AMG, it's the SLR

[What's Burning?]

^^ Stonemonkey, what are you going to do with your avatar when there's a 13th team on the grid?

[stonemonkey]

^^ Stonemonkey, what are you going to do with your avatar when there's a 13th team on the grid?

Heh, it's thanks to jameseh that it's been updated at all, last week it still had spyker and super aguri on it.