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By darwin dali
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Dominic Jones, who's originally from Cornwall, lectures at a university in Sendai. He told the BBC his family are packing their bags: "Amazingly, outside our apartment they're building a new house and the builders came back and started building yesterday, which I thought was a bit crazy. And the Post Office have come round and delivered some parcels. So there is some kind of normality. But I think especially the foreign nationals are very worried about the nuclear situation. And as we have two young children, we've decided that it's best for the children to move back to England temporarily."


Things like this always leave me stunned. The fact that they can carry on so quickly after the disaster is amazing and may well be key to any recovery from these events.

The most worrying thing I'm seeing at the moment is the continuation of aftershocks. Does anyone know how long they are likely to go on for? A magnitude 6.0 aftershock is going to be very devastating on its own, and I believe they've had at least one at that strength already. Efforts will likely be hampered if it goes on for too long.

The only solace I take from this is that in all likelihood the nuclear industry will have a bit more difficulty trying to sell us their dangerous poison.


That would be a great shame, to be quite honest. Nuclear energy is by far the best option for the future at the moment, with fossil fuel supplies highly limited and renewable sources not yet being good enough for the levels of energy we require. I find the fear of nuclear energy unjustified. Yes, the current issue with the nuclear plants in Japan is unpleasant and I feel for those affected, but this should not be used as a way of dismissing nuclear energy. What has to be remembered is that these reactors are as much as 40 years old and were not designed for a disaster on the scale of that which they have been subjected to, so the very fact that the workers are even in a position where they can fight to control the situation is nothing short of remarkable in itself.

The future of nuclear power should be much safer, with reactors designed with an extra 40 years of knowledge and experience, as well as (assuming that the research and testing proves successful) the use of a better, cleaner and safer fuel in Thorium. If nuclear fusion can be achieved on the scale required and the methods made commercially viable, then again the dangers could be reduced even further because unlike with fission, catastrophic events like Chernobyl and Three Mile Island will not be possible and the waste fuel from the process will be of a short-lived radioactivity, making it easier, safer and quicker to dispose of correctly.

I don't think that it should be the longest-term plan, but certainly investment in nuclear energy to provide the bulk of our power whilst renewable green sources are perfected is the way to go, in my opinion. The dependence on fossil fuels needs to be broken and whilst it would be brilliant to be able to replace them with renewable green energy sources, on a large scale that is not practical right now.


You're completely missing the point though with your nuclear energy pep talk: if we only invested half the money that goes into nuclear programs, plants, research, disposal, etc., into eco-friendly renewal energy sources instead, we would already be independent from nuclear energy and a huge step ahead towards independence from fossil fuels!
By TacoMac
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You're completely missing the point though with your nuclear energy pep talk: if we only invested half the money that goes into nuclear programs, plants, research, disposal, etc., into eco-friendly renewal energy sources instead, we would already be independent from nuclear energy and a huge step ahead towards independence from fossil fuels!

Really? I have one word for you: How.

There is no power we know of that can replace nuclear at this time. None.

And don't even think about hydrogen either. We can't have hydrogen without nuclear. It's that simple.

At the end of the day there are only four "eco-friendly" sources of power as they're called; Solar, Wind, Thermo-dynamic and Hydro-dynamic.

Solar wont work. Although it produces no gas as waste, it does produce a good deal of non-recyclable material in spent solar panels. We find a way to build recyclable solar panels, that will help. But the other bad news is that it just isn't enough. You'd have to cover the entire land mass of Russia just to power half of Europe. It simply will not do. Not only that, but here's a news flash: The sun actually goes down. So what do you do the OTHER 12 hours of the day for power?

Wind is right out. It can be used locally in small applications, but yet again the wind doesn't ALWAYS blow. Not only that, there are only so many power mills you can place in a given area before they actually start robbing themselves of power. So that's out.

Thermo-dynamic is PERFECT. Totally reusable power that is absolutely cost free. It actually works and works well. Only one problem: Less than 15% of the earth has access to it.

Hydro-dynamic is still king of the "clean" power sources, but not even it is really clean per se. The damage done to environments by building a dam are astronomical and downright genocidal in some cases (China). It works for now in areas where there are rivers, but again there are many places that do not have rivers and mountains, so it's not an option for them.

The only power source on earth that can be used anywhere, anytime, by anybody and create enough power is nuclear. End of story.

What we need to be doing is finding ways to make nuclear safer, more efficient and more easily renewable. THAT is where our research needs to be going. Reason being: It works and it works well anywhere for anybody in any environment. No other power source on earth does.
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By bud
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Think youre missing the point, youre comparing to what we currently have, DD pointed out if we had researched the amount of money humanity did with nuclear power into renewable energy we would be on a different plane of knowledge on these technologies. So for example Solar energy where you pointed out
We find a way to build recyclable solar panels, that will help.
would be a good start.
Australia for example could have solar fields in the outback deserts that could power all Australian citys once the technology comes up to our current needs.
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By darwin dali
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Think youre missing the point, youre comparing to what we currently have, DD pointed out if we had researched the amount of money humanity did with nuclear power into renewable energy we would be on a different plane of knowledge on these technologies. So for example Solar energy where you pointed out
We find a way to build recyclable solar panels, that will help.
would be a good start.
Australia for example could have solar fields in the outback deserts that could power all Australian citys once the technology comes up to our current needs.

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By TacoMac
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Australia for example could have solar fields in the outback deserts that could power all Australian citys once the technology comes up to our current needs.

No, it couldn't.

With the exception of VERY cold climates, the VAST majority of power anywhere in the world is used during night. Lights. EVERYTHING is lighted up at night. Ummm...DO tell me how all of Australia is going to get its' power from solar panels to light and power its' cities when it's pitch black outside.

During the day? Yes. But other than air conditioning, you actually don't use half the power you do at night when the sun can't help you.

THINK, man...THINK.
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By texasmr2
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Australia for example could have solar fields in the outback deserts that could power all Australian citys once the technology comes up to our current needs.

No, it couldn't.

With the exception of VERY cold climates, the VAST majority of power anywhere in the world is used during night. Lights. EVERYTHING is lighted up at night. Ummm...DO tell me how all of Australia is going to get its' power from solar panels to light and power its' cities when it's pitch black outside.

During the day? Yes. But other than air conditioning, you actually don't use half the power you do at night when the sun can't help you.

THINK, man...THINK.



Stored energy/power, THINK MAN THINK!:wink:
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By darwin dali
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Australia for example could have solar fields in the outback deserts that could power all Australian citys once the technology comes up to our current needs.

No, it couldn't.

With the exception of VERY cold climates, the VAST majority of power anywhere in the world is used during night. Lights. EVERYTHING is lighted up at night. Ummm...DO tell me how all of Australia is going to get its' power from solar panels to light and power its' cities when it's pitch black outside.

During the day? Yes. But other than air conditioning, you actually don't use half the power you do at night when the sun can't help you.

THINK, man...THINK.



Stored energy/power, THINK MAN THINK!:wink:

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By What's Burning?
#244640
At some point in my future, I will work with an architect to design and build my home. it will not be off the grid, but will have minimal reliency on the grid.

I was flying out of Dallas last week, and had an interesting conversation with a garden variety Texas oil man, and we couldn't have been more philosophically opposed on issues than we were, kept everything civil, but I realized how difficult it will be cutting that dependency, we may be having the same discussion 75 years from now. The only thing that will change that, is technology making renewable energy cheaper to get than fossil fuels.

Another point that no one is addressing (besides the fact that this thread is now completely off topic) That given the multitudes of energy generation methods we have... that's not our issue, the issue is energy conservation, and making things as efficient as possible, in both the energy gathered and energy used.

Cut our dependency on fossil fuels, check
Increase our use of renewable energy, check
EFFICIENTLY and CLEANLY tap into fossil fuels, check
Make nuclear or as W would say "nukular" as safe and controlled as it possibly can be, check
cut our use of energy consumption, energy star EVERYTHING, check

We have the technology and capabilities we need, but when we've got an industry coal, oil, and gas, that are pumping billions of dollars into resisting of anything they perceive as a threat to their business, it's a difficult thing to get started.
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By texasmr2
#244647
Our worldwide dependency on fossil fuels is something that most likely will continue for numerous decades, sad isn't it :( ?
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By darwin dali
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Make nuclear or as W would say "nukular" as safe and controlled as it possibly can be, check



FFS - they haven't even solved the waste problem! Plutonium (Pu-239, one of the waste products of light water reactors such as the ones in trouble right now) has a half-life of 24,100 years!!! So, we need to find earthquake-safe, dry locations that are not affected by geological changes and movements to securely store this most hazardous and deadly waste product for longer than the time elapsed since the last Neanderthals roamed the Earth :yikes:
By What's Burning?
#244653
Make nuclear or as W would say "nukular" as safe and controlled as it possibly can be, check



FFS - they haven't even solved the waste problem! Plutonium (Pu-239, one of the waste products of light water reactors such as the ones in trouble right now) has a half-life of 24,100 years!!! So, we need to find earthquake-safe, dry locations that are not affected by geological changes and movements to securely store this most hazardous and deadly waste product for longer than the time elapsed since the last Neanderthals roamed the Earth :yikes:


FFS go invent a fusion based power generating method. In the mean time... did you notice I said increase the use of clean energy and conserve as much energy as we can?

Otherwise, I've got dibs on a patent to shoot the spent pellets off into the sun with a large rail gun. That would be awesome!
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By texasmr2
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I put in my request that I would gladly house a few displaced Japanese girls until their able to return, what are my chances??? :twisted:
By What's Burning?
#244655
I put in my request that I would gladly house a few displaced Japanese girls until their able to return, what are my chances??? :twisted:


Since you've already spent quite a bit of cash mail ordering their used panties... it's the least you can do to give something back.
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By darwin dali
#244657
Make nuclear or as W would say "nukular" as safe and controlled as it possibly can be, check



FFS - they haven't even solved the waste problem! Plutonium (Pu-239, one of the waste products of light water reactors such as the ones in trouble right now) has a half-life of 24,100 years!!! So, we need to find earthquake-safe, dry locations that are not affected by geological changes and movements to securely store this most hazardous and deadly waste product for longer than the time elapsed since the last Neanderthals roamed the Earth :yikes:


FFS go invent a fusion based power generating method. In the mean time... did you notice I said increase the use of clean energy and conserve as much energy as we can?

Otherwise, I've got dibs on a patent to shoot the spent pellets off into the sun with a large rail gun. That would be awesome!


Nope! How many billions got wasted already on trying to invent a working fusion reactor?
Put that money into renewable energy research and implementation and yes, savings and efficiency improvements - way more bang for the buck!

Not sure how serious you were about shooting the waste up in space - it's bound to fail and pollute the Earth's atmosphere - with plutonium being one of the most poisonous substances known, death of mankind, no doubt.

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