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#244609
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Bernie Ecclestone appears intent on fighting the FIA's plans to switch to four cylinder engines in 2013, which he believes will detract from the show.

The governing body and most of the teams support trading the current high-revving V8s for fuel-efficient, turbo-charged four pots in two year's time. But Ecclestone has warned that F1 risks losing its two biggest selling points - the noise of over 20 naturally aspirated engines and Ferrari, which is also dead against halving the cylinder count.

"I meet people worldwide in all different walks of life - sponsors, promoters and journalists and I think there are two things that are really important for Formula One," Ecclestone told AAP. "One is Ferrari and second is the noise. People love and get excited about the noise. People who have never been to a Formula One race, when they leave you ask them what (they liked) and they say 'the noise'.

"I brought some Russian gentlemen to Singapore and I met them afterwards in Russia - it was the first race they'd ever been to and I said what was it that impressed you. I didn't even think about the noise and they said the most important thing was the noise - it's incredible, it really gets to you. It's unbelievable that even moreso the women - the ladies love the noise."

One of the main reasons behind the shift is to use F1 to develop greener technologies such as advanced turbo-charging and KERS. As part of the regulations the teams will have to race with a restricted fuel allowance, which will force the engineers to balance performance with frugality.

But such initiatives do not wash with Ecclestone, who is concerned about the cost of building new engines and selling the sport to TV broadcasters.

"I'm anti, anti, anti, anti moving into this small turbo four formula," he added. "We don't need it and if it's so important it's the sort of thing that should be in saloon car racing. The rest of it is basically PR - it's nothing in the world to do with Formula One. These changes are going to be terribly costly to the sport. I'm sure the promoters will lose a big audience and I'm quite sure we'll lose TV."

He admitted that he does not see eye-to-eye with FIA president Jean Todt on the issue.

"He's not a promoter and he's not selling Formula One to be honest. Jean and I are a little bit at loggerheads over this engine. I don't see the reason for it. We had the KERS and this was supposed to solve the problem that Formula One is not green and now we've got something else."



He's got a point - so, how about a compromise and make turbo-charged V6 the standard?
#244613
Personally I don't think the problem is being turbo or V8, I think the problem is that "they" are trying to homogenize the engine.

I loved the days of 10's and 12's and turbo versus normally aspirated. Different cars had completely different donks, yet there wasn't a catastrophe. Cars could even overtake each other.

Instead of all the convoluted rules, which in the end pretty much only serve to confuse fans and stifle creativity, they should just create a simple constraint/objective. Leave everything else open.

Perhaps say to every team, for each car in the year you have a max. allocation of XX amount of fuel for the year and YY amount of fuel per car per event, what you don't use for an event you hand back.
#244618
I would go for a TT V6 as an alternative but I disagree with him about a small displacement turbo 4 pot not sounding exciting but I guess thats just me. If they would just regulate a smaller engine capacity the sound will be great as higher rpm's will be needed to achieve the desired/alotted hp. Aswell allow unrestricted cylinders numbers and allow any type of forced induction with certain restrictions on the type of induction ie boost x number of cylinders. Also allow N/A engines with a higher engine capacity to offset the turbo/suercharger assistance.

It seem's too me in a round about way F1 is trying to get back to the glory days but are over regulating thus defeating their objective.

Now my main concern is what BE can do about it if the new '13 regs continue on pace, either he bites the bullet and continues to pocket hoards of cash or he holds out and we will have no F1 until they the FIA bow too his concerns ie demands?
#244632
Give them the option of using the new gen l4 Turbos or keeping the V8's, at least. I bet the power outputs would be similar anyway, with a bit of rev limit fine tuning. Then simply cap the amount of fuel they can use per race.
#244633
Give them the option of using the new gen l4 Turbos or keeping the V8's, at least. I bet the power outputs would be similar anyway, with a bit of rev limit fine tuning. Then simply cap the amount of fuel they can use per race.



Agree, I'm sick of people trying to downgrade our sport.
#244635
Why do they always tend to change so many things??? :censored:

IMHO change is good but not every season or making the wrong change. The FIA, atleast under JT, is making an effort but the power mongor that BE is cannot accept seeing his days waining as the maestro.
#244649
I understand, but it's too much...

Could you please define what aspect you think is too much?? I'm sure we agree on most issues but some sort of clarification would better help me and others aswell understand your point of view :) .
#244661
I don't really see the need for engine regulations along these lines, to be honest. Someone on here suggested a while ago that the FIA simply set a fuel limit for the race and let the engine manufacturers design their engines however they wish. I think that would provide a greater challenge, personally; you can find loopholes in the technical regulations, but a fuel quantity is pretty much set.

Then again, the FIA have a way of leaving even the simplest of regulations open to interpretation, so...
#244662
Well, I know some changes need to be made... But, for example, mandatory pitstops last year, that wasn't quite good, then, the ban of F-ducts... I mean, let the people be inovative! Then again, reducing the engine power always, that just isn't the way to make F1 better...

Not to speak about Bernie's mad ideas... :D
#244668
I personally don't see the love over the current noise. The ultimate revving engines don't sound anything like that rumble into a crescendo of crackling. It sounds like a really cracked out weed eater, being ran on jet fuel.

I would like to see v12's from the vantage, jags, and the Masserati. Those sound beautiful. :cloud9::cloud9:

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