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By texasmr2
#24246
That must have been just before the start of the GP of China :shock::D !

The pic I posted was probably photochopped but Kimi's expression is priceless, the Iceman cometh or goeth, I'm not sure which one :?:?:
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By bud
#24258
yes its a chop
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By Martin
#24325
Ron threatened the FIA/FOCA with setting up a rival series if the did not share out the money earned more evenly with the constructors. Now many teams were part of this revolt but Ron was without a doubt the spokesperson and ringleader.

Ferrari sided with the FIA/FOCA and eventually a compromise was reached where the constructors had a better 'divvy' of the payouts.

I think their were many friendships broken and enemies made during this fraught time. The biggest grudge being held is/was Max Mosley against Ron Dennis - Ron having the upper hand, had Max by the short and curlies! Max being a fascist like his dad bided his time and now that time has come.

If years gone by, I am sure Max would have sent his blackcoats to re-arrange Rons kneecaps......now all Max can do with Rons knees is bring him to them!


I even remember an interview where Ron and Frank Williams went on TV with a black backdrop and very publicly opposed what Max and Bernie were proposing.

Ron was also very critical of the constant change in technical regulations, again in a very public manner...



I agree with all your posts on this one RD. What a wise man you must be.
Does anyone know where the 'external experts' are going to come from? If they are experts in F1 design then they are in the F1 business and, therefore, not external, if they are external what will they know about F1 design?. How do you define an idea? How do you prove that it is not an original idea. At this level of engineering all designers are using the same data and they basicaly end up in the same place. 1 team develops a new technology, say seamless gear boxes, it isn't long before everyones got them, isn't that a stolen idea?. Aero designs are obvious to a designer, are we saying that a designer is not 'influenced' by some piece of aero design on a competitors car that seems to work?. Lots of ideas are copied and that has always been the case, so how will they decide on the guilt or innocence of McL?
It definitely seems like a Mosely vendetta. Mosely is a disgrace and should be gone.
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By racechick
#24342
Ron threatened the FIA/FOCA with setting up a rival series if the did not share out the money earned more evenly with the constructors. Now many teams were part of this revolt but Ron was without a doubt the spokesperson and ringleader.

Ferrari sided with the FIA/FOCA and eventually a compromise was reached where the constructors had a better 'divvy' of the payouts.

I think their were many friendships broken and enemies made during this fraught time. The biggest grudge being held is/was Max Mosley against Ron Dennis - Ron having the upper hand, had Max by the short and curlies! Max being a fascist like his dad bided his time and now that time has come.

If years gone by, I am sure Max would have sent his blackcoats to re-arrange Rons kneecaps......now all Max can do with Rons knees is bring him to them!


I even remember an interview where Ron and Frank Williams went on TV with a black backdrop and very publicly opposed what Max and Bernie were proposing.

Ron was also very critical of the constant change in technical regulations, again in a very public manner...



I agree with all your posts on this one RD. What a wise man you must be.
Does anyone know where the 'external experts' are going to come from? If they are experts in F1 design then they are in the F1 business and, therefore, not external, if they are external what will they know about F1 design?. How do you define an idea? How do you prove that it is not an original idea. At this level of engineering all designers are using the same data and they basicaly end up in the same place. 1 team develops a new technology, say seamless gear boxes, it isn't long before everyones got them, isn't that a stolen idea?. Aero designs are obvious to a designer, are we saying that a designer is not 'influenced' by some piece of aero design on a competitors car that seems to work?. Lots of ideas are copied and that has always been the case, so how will they decide on the guilt or innocence of McL?
It definitely seems like a Mosely vendetta. Mosely is a disgrace and should be gone.


They cant possibley say whether an idea is a copy as you clearly point out. It is a continuation of the vendetta and the possibility of another messed up season with false results. If Mosely follows his reasoning through there will be no teams left without 'cheating' ascribed to them :roll:
Oh , there may be a couple of red cars that escape sanction 8)8)8):lol::lol::lol::lol: Well things are becoming ludicrous arent they.
By Ron Dennis
#24351
yup
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By deMuRe
#24383
LoL, McCheater fans aren't happy with thier sentance so they start blaming the judge.

Yes we know, everyone is innocent in prison as well...

Losers...
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By Martin
#24387
LoL, McCheater fans aren't happy with thier sentance so they start blaming the judge.

Yes we know, everyone is innocent in prison as well...

Losers...


Not blaming the judge at all. The fact that MM & RD do not have a good relationship is well known and not disputed, the fact that MM has a very 'special relationship with di Montizemolo is well known and not disputed. But, the bottom line is How can 'outside experts' genuinly assertain whether an idea is original or not? This is a serious point, I would really like to know. I suppose that MM could offer an explanation but it all seems very tenuous and vague at the moment.
Just because someone does not agreee that does not make them a loser.
By Ron Dennis
#24402
LoL, McCheater fans aren't happy with thier sentance so they start blaming the judge.

Yes we know, everyone is innocent in prison as well...

Losers...


Is it bedtime already?
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By deMuRe
#24404
LoL, McCheater fans aren't happy with thier sentance so they start blaming the judge.

Yes we know, everyone is innocent in prison as well...

Losers...


Not blaming the judge at all. The fact that MM & RD do not have a good relationship is well known and not disputed, the fact that MM has a very 'special relationship with di Montizemolo is well known and not disputed. But, the bottom line is How can 'outside experts' genuinly assertain whether an idea is original or not? This is a serious point, I would really like to know. I suppose that MM could offer an explanation but it all seems very tenuous and vague at the moment.
Just because someone does not agreee that does not make them a loser.


I'm just winding RD up mate, I got no beef with you. I firmly believe McLaren deserved punishment but it wouldn't have been as harsh if MM and Ron Dennis weren't at loggerheads. This battle is very political, I agree...
By Ron Dennis
#24408
you were winding me up?

oh - maybe you can let me know next time and I will act wound up to make you feel good
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By deMuRe
#24412
you were winding me up?

oh - maybe you can let me know next time and I will act wound up to make you feel good


You're not taking the bait these days, neither is bud. You've both calmed down...

:(
By Ron Dennis
#24427
:roll:
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By deMuRe
#24435
:roll:


Haha that doesn't work on me, but I remember when you were going crackers when Texas did it to you...

Funny stuff :wink:
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By Martin
#24458
:roll:


Haha that doesn't work on me, but I remember when you were going crackers when Texas did it to you...

Funny stuff :wink:


I think that you 2 guys should get together and buy each other a pint. I'll come as well and you can buy me one! Have a nice day. :D
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By deMuRe
#24459
:roll:


Haha that doesn't work on me, but I remember when you were going crackers when Texas did it to you...

Funny stuff :wink:


I think that you 2 guys should get together and buy each other a pint. I'll come as well and you can buy me one! Have a nice day. :D


Hehe, that's if RD is over the legal age :wink:

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