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#242780
That's not being disputed,but f1ea has this ridiculous idea,or more like a personal opinion of his,that Lewis has not gotten any better!!

I dont understand how can you not get better with experience. :rolleyes: specially in motor racing, when any racing fan KNOWS that track time is golden,and the more the BETTER!
The idiocy is unbearable sometimes



FORM is TEMPORARY, CLASS is PERMANENT.

I think Hamilton performed BETTER in 2010 and 2009 then 2007 and 2008 because he made mistakes in all four years that given the competitiveness or rather lack of it in the latter two years, meant that any mistake he made was magnified, because he didnt have the car to afford those mistakes. I doubt he wont make a mistake like that this year too, but i half expect it to be honest.

And yet still he finished right up there in 2009 and moreso 2010 despite the stupid cars and stupid mistakes. Hes always made these mistakes. We live with it, others feed on it. Sure this year could be different, infact 2010 was different!? the only real mistake was Monza no matter what anyone thinks, that was the only one he can take blame for. So yeah he is getting better.



You don't count Hamilton letting Alonso through in Korea and Brazil 2010 as mistakes? We could even say overtaking the safety car was a mistake.


We could couldnt we, but i dont have a stalkerish hate of Hamilton like the rest of the world does, and as such im less likely to call what any plain jane can see is racing for position as a mistake, if you wanna be picky then we can be picky, but i know what mistakes Hamilton has made, and i am so SO S.O used to the constant futile petty childish and plain sad hate bias and sarcasm displayed to what is the best driver on the grid, that these threads and comments have become so meaningless to me, that i relish quite sadistically in the fact that some people cut their own wrists when Hamilton succeeds.

But sure Hamilton wasnt as good as 2007 if you think im foolish enough to believe that that is all thats being determined here, its just another poorly veiled chance to pick at your favourite driver so enjoy it, because im in no doubt that the next, lets say....10-12 years are going to be hellish for those that have this pathetic dislike, as Hamilton will almost DEFINITELY win a couple more titles at least, and you know its true. As long as i and the other fans of his, of which there are hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, know what his talents are, we do not car that the rest may hate him. I know when i see a driver that far surpasses the skill level of the rest of the grid, and i personally think Hamilton is the best driver on the grid by a margin.

Is there anything else?
#242781
You've read way too much into that, you said
the only real mistake was Monza no matter what anyone thinks
, with reference to 2010, I simply wanted to point out that I don't think that was his only mistake in 2010. According to you, they count as racing for position and not mistakes (I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive), but I'll simply ask you: wasn't Monza which you have stated as a mistake also racing for position?

I'll ignore all this Hamilton hater stuff, I don't hate him, I believe the examples I pointed out as mistakes are valid, and 2007 has nothing to do with what I said.
#242782
All the top drivers make mistakes. Jackie Stewart reckons this is the most highly talented crop of drivers ever and as such every mistake is amplified. that said hamilton made less mistakes than all the other top drivers bar Button. And Id agee,His only real mistake that damaged his championship was Monza, and even here he was unlucky.
I'd also agree that he's the best driver on the grid by a fair margin
#242783
You've read way too much into that, you said
the only real mistake was Monza no matter what anyone thinks
, with reference to 2010, I simply wanted to point out that I don't think that was his only mistake in 2010. According to you, they count as racing for position and not mistakes (I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive), but I'll simply ask you: wasn't Monza which you have stated as a mistake also racing for position?

I'll ignore all this Hamilton hater stuff, I don't hate him, I believe the examples I pointed out as mistakes are valid, and 2007 has nothing to do with what I said.


No, no dont ignore it, read it and know that in the future i will not be expected to take the bait like a lot of forumners here do, so anyone reading can henceforth count me out in their stupid little hater arguments. Sure what you said in context was valid, but given your history of posts and whatever its easy to see you jumped at the chace of challenging me considering that you had a chance of being detrimental towards Lewis. And if you didnt this time, then you definitely have in the past.


Monza is the only mistake by Hamilton that was MASSIVELY inlfuential and SOLELY his fault that had a huge impact on the championship. Korea was racing for position and losing one place and finishing second instead of first. Brazil was just outbraking himself and losing one place again to Alonso. All mistakes count, but Monza is the only one that in a review of drivers seasons people could single out and blame it solely on being both Hamiltons fault and the biggest towards losing the championship.

Its also the only mistake that cant be balanced out, losing one place to Alonso twice cost him less points then a tyre puncture in spain that wasnt his fault, and as such its unjust to say he performed worse because of mistakes in relation to championship standings, when your TOTALLY ignoring mechanical failures between drivers, of which Vettel and Hamilton suffered considerably more in terms of frequency and amount of lost points then the others.


But you know what my biggest gripe is, NONE of this has anything to do with the thread, and either a stupid Mclaren/Lewis fan, stupid Alonso/Ferrari fan, or pot-stirring "neutral" thought itd be a good idea to ONCE AGAIN turn a thread like this into what it doesnt need to be. I might even trawl threads that go off topic now and just bold the name of who it is responsible for turning it to s*it.
#242788
You've read way too much into that, you said
the only real mistake was Monza no matter what anyone thinks
, with reference to 2010, I simply wanted to point out that I don't think that was his only mistake in 2010. According to you, they count as racing for position and not mistakes (I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive), but I'll simply ask you: wasn't Monza which you have stated as a mistake also racing for position?

I'll ignore all this Hamilton hater stuff, I don't hate him, I believe the examples I pointed out as mistakes are valid, and 2007 has nothing to do with what I said.


No, no dont ignore it, read it and know that in the future i will not be expected to take the bait like a lot of forumners here do, so anyone reading can henceforth count me out in their stupid little hater arguments. Sure what you said in context was valid, but given your history of posts and whatever its easy to see you jumped at the chace of challenging me considering that you had a chance of being detrimental towards Lewis. And if you didnt this time, then you definitely have in the past.


I think I did the right thing not responding to that, it wasn't relevant to my post, and thats actually what I want to be judged on, what I post. I probably am more critical of Hamilton then other drivers, but I don't like him very much, I also (IMO) see a lot of unjustified praise etc towards him on here, and if I disagree then I normally say so, its partially why we're here isn't it?
Monza is the only mistake by Hamilton that was MASSIVELY inlfuential and SOLELY his fault that had a huge impact on the championship. Korea was racing for position and losing one place and finishing second instead of first. Brazil was just outbraking himself and losing one place again to Alonso. All mistakes count, but Monza is the only one that in a review of drivers seasons people could single out and blame it solely on being both Hamiltons fault and the biggest towards losing the championship.


You've moved the goalposts. I also disagree that that is a good way to classify mistakes, once a mistake is made, is it really in a drivers power as to what happens next? In Monza Hamilton could've just been nudged slightly, and continued on, what he did was the same, but situation A (what really happened in Monza) is a mistake, but situation B (what I hypothetically suggested happened) is not counted? I disagree.

Its also the only mistake that cant be balanced out, losing one place to Alonso twice cost him less points then a tyre puncture in spain that wasnt his fault, and as such its unjust to say he performed worse because of mistakes in relation to championship standings, when your TOTALLY ignoring mechanical failures between drivers, of which Vettel and Hamilton suffered considerably more in terms of frequency and amount of lost points then the others.
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Yes, I'm ignoring mechanical failures, we where discussing Hamilton's mistakes in 2010.

But you know what my biggest gripe is, NONE of this has anything to do with the thread, and either a stupid Mclaren/Lewis fan, stupid Alonso/Ferrari fan, or pot-stirring "neutral" thought itd be a good idea to ONCE AGAIN turn a thread like this into what it doesnt need to be. I might even trawl threads that go off topic now and just bold the name of who it is responsible for turning it to s*it


Well, I was responded to a point you made, I agree generally though.
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#242789
Whatever, your a hater clear as day, as proven with the stypid underseved praise of Lewis comment, and you cant even debate properly.
#242792
Whatever, your a hater clear as day, as proven with the stypid underseved praise of Lewis comment, and you cant even debate properly.


Well, that's not very nice.

I guess we can't just all get along? Talk about crocodiles or something. . . I never did like that Hamilton (that was a joke, admittedly a bad joke and probably inappropriate, but I thought it was funny).

Or more likely, seeing as you've offended my honour, we need to duel.
#242793
Whatever, your a hater clear as day, as proven with the stypid underseved praise of Lewis comment, and you cant even debate properly.


Well, that's not very nice.

I guess we can't just all get along? Talk about crocodiles or something. . . I never did like that Hamilton (that was a joke, admittedly a bad joke and probably inappropriate, but I thought it was funny).

Or more likely, seeing as you've offended my honour, we need to duel.


not when people lile yourself feed the fire no. but as ivesaid i dont care, an ounce, hate who you want, hamilton is a god.
#242800
So anyway until solid evidence comes out (which I doubt ever will) proving these allegations I remain neutral not taking anyones side, not that I would anyway, and as I mentioned before it's in the past.

So what about 20-21 more days to go before the first race????
#242810
Alonso fans are pathetic! They take refuge in Zos mistakes by trying to point at Lewis' mistakes,they're borderline paranoid! They will say Lewis threw away 2007,but wont admit in the same breath could be said for their idol in 2010 and 2007!

Lewis lies to the teacher saying "the dog ate my homework" while Alonso burns the school down,yet somehow both offenses are even.
Lewis tweets, people write novels about it,Alonso threatens an whole Island to EXTINCTION, yet somehow it's his private life...............but Lewis' tweets are not! :rolleyes:

Stop measuring to Lewis because you CAN'T :yes: Talent wise,skill wise,human wise or anything else for that matter! Alonso would burn Mona Lisa for a win! Lewis will not!
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#242811
Alonso fans are pathetic! They take refuge in Zos mistakes by trying to point at Lewis' mistakes,they're borderline paranoid! They will say Lewis threw away 2007,but wont admit in the same breath could be said for their idol in 2010 and 2007!

Lewis lies to the teacher saying "the dog ate my homework" while Alonso burns the school down,yet somehow both offenses are even.
Lewis tweets, people write novels about it,Alonso threatens an whole Island to EXTINCTION, yet somehow it's his private life...............but Lewis' tweets are not! :rolleyes:

Stop measuring to Lewis because you CAN'T :yes: Talent wise,skill wise,human wise or anything else for that matter! Alonso would burn Mona Lisa for a win! Lewis will not!

:rofl: , all I can say, I'm seriously chuckling, EXTINCTION you say
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By F1er
#242817
Alonso fans are pathetic! They take refuge in Zos mistakes by trying to point at Lewis' mistakes,they're borderline paranoid! They will say Lewis threw away 2007,but wont admit in the same breath could be said for their idol in 2010 and 2007!

Lewis lies to the teacher saying "the dog ate my homework" while Alonso burns the school down,yet somehow both offenses are even.
Lewis tweets, people write novels about it,Alonso threatens an whole Island to EXTINCTION, yet somehow it's his private life...............but Lewis' tweets are not! :rolleyes:

Stop measuring to Lewis because you CAN'T :yes: Talent wise,skill wise,human wise or anything else for that matter! Alonso would burn Mona Lisa for a win! Lewis will not!

:rofl: , all I can say, I'm seriously chuckling, EXTINCTION you say


Alonso; I will tell the world of the evil island you people have here,if you dont leave me alone! People will stop coming and you will all die! [tyrannic voice off]
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By spankyham
#242856
Alonso fans are pathetic! They take refuge in Zos mistakes by trying to point at Lewis' mistakes,they're borderline paranoid! They will say Lewis threw away 2007,but wont admit in the same breath could be said for their idol in 2010 and 2007!

Lewis lies to the teacher saying "the dog ate my homework" while Alonso burns the school down,yet somehow both offenses are even.
Lewis tweets, people write novels about it,Alonso threatens an whole Island to EXTINCTION, yet somehow it's his private life...............but Lewis' tweets are not! :rolleyes:

Stop measuring to Lewis because you CAN'T :yes: Talent wise,skill wise,human wise or anything else for that matter! Alonso would burn Mona Lisa for a win! Lewis will not!

:rofl: , all I can say, I'm seriously chuckling, EXTINCTION you say


Alonso; I will tell the world of the evil island you people have here,if you dont leave me alone! People will stop coming and you will all die! [tyrannic voice off]


F1er, honestly mate, if you want to hate Alonso, I guess that's your prerogative, but your translation is about as accurate as Kim Jong-Il's 11 holes-in-one in his first ever round of golf.

Here's a Spanish translation of what you written above:-
Diré el mundo de la isla mal que las personas tiene aquí, si usted no Déjame en paz! Gente dejará de venir y morirán todos!

I don't see any of that in the video you posted.

He actually describes his visit to the island as a "disaster" - absolutely true from his and his wife's holiday perspective.
He then says "please leave me in peace" - per favour deem-me tranquilidade - or perhaps in your translation that means he's offering to dismember all the first born male children on the island?

To help some of our Spanish board members, I've done a translation of your first comment here "Alonso fans are pathetic! They take refuge in Zos mistakes by trying to point at Lewis' mistakes"

here it is in Spanish:-
"Estoy aquí para la Convención de peluqueros. Su abuelo monta un burro. Quiero frotan sus nalgas."
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