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[What's Burning?]

Do you see the two sections bolded? Your clouded (hate) view of Lewis has got you contradicting yourself quite much.

Really??
I think it makes perfect consistent sense.
Jenson nor Lewis have suddenly lost their abilities... things change and drivers have worse yrs. Which is what i have been saying about Lewis and his seasons after 2007. He was not better in 2010 than he was in 2007. The reasons are plenty, and dont mean he's lost his abilities or become mediocre. But the straight scoop is what i said: Lewis' best season was 2007. Sorry if you guys dont like it.

Here's another thing you wont like either: Had it not been for Abu Dhabi, Lewis' 2nd half of 2010 would have been absolutely mediocre.
ouch.

Now go talk about Massa and Germany all you like..........

F1ea you should know by now that on this forum, the McLaren fans only want to hear one thing, that is Lewis Hamiton is great, Lewis Hamilton is the best ever F1 driver, Lewis Hamilton can do no wrong, Lewis Hamilton is greater than Michael Schumacher, McLaren never ever, ever cheat, if McLaren use team orders, (for the ones who oppose them), it is ok for McLaren to do so buit not Ferrari, Ferrari are cheats, Ferrari are the mafia, Ferrari control the FIA, Alonso is a scumbag, Alosno is a cheater, Alonso is a troublemaker, Alonso is a low life and so on and so on. To argue with them is futile because it only leads to never ending arguments. I have already proven this many times with my past posts.

I cant believe you just said this when i just had that series of posts with you, as a mclaren and lewis fan, about 20 minutes ago!

Sorry, I stuffed up again. Really I am very sorry. Please accept my appologies. I should of said some McLaren fans here. I just am feeling a bit emotional right now. I do not know why and I tend to make mistakes in my wording of things when doing so. I am sorry FRAFPD. Very sorry.

A heartfelt apology is something very rare on this forum, so thank you for that. And given the number of members here that would fit your "assessment" it would be a very small portion compared to the community at large. We find extremes at either end unfortunately, those extremes are at times the most vociferous but certainly not the most representative.

[F1er]

Yep! I'm still waiting for an assessment on how an unimproved Lewis came on top of his 09WDC teammate!

So if he hasnt gotten better how did Jenson the WDC all of the sudden lose his abilities and lose to an unimproved Lewis!

And even if this "mediocre" Lewis still beats his WDC teammates on regular basis,imagine if he does improve

So this is the question you're so eager to have answered?? if you were so interested in having it answered instead of trying to stress your point accross you would have put a ?? instead of a !! after it.

oh and first of all... i never called this "mediocre" Lewis. You are using this word just because someone said 2007 was his best.

But in any case.

Lewis was not better in 2010 than in 2007 because:

1. He got fewer wins, points, poles or podiums.

EPIC FAIL!

You clearly are unable to make a driver assessment/comparison!

[F1er]

4. Why is finishing on better point than a WDC make a driver better?? cars, rules, situations and everything change from season to season.

Not trying to earn cool points! I'm really LMAO

To answer your ridiculous comments.............because HE WHO adapts better to changes of rules,cars and situations is the better driver! And all those you mentioned are the SAME for both drivers!

I have no answer to your [Why is finishing on better point than a WDC make a driver better?]
if you dont see it that way than I suggest Ice Skating or Diving would be a great sport for you to follow

[scotty]

Lewis was not better in 2010 than in 2007 because:

1. He got fewer wins, points, poles or podiums.

EPIC FAIL!

You clearly are unable to make a driver assessment/comparison!

Erm... that fact is correct if you account for the change in points scoring system.

[F1er]

Lewis was not better in 2010 than in 2007 because:

1. He got fewer wins, points, poles or podiums.

EPIC FAIL!

You clearly are unable to make a driver assessment/comparison!

Erm... that fact is correct if you account for the change in points scoring system.

Driver assessment! Not driver and car compared to other cars 2007 Maca was a top car all season/2010 Maca was clearly not!2007 Lewis beat his 2WDC teammate/2010 Lewis beat his 1WDC teammate
So saying Lewis' performance was worst "because" of wins/poles/podiums is plain IGNORANT,without taking in fact that the current WDC was in the same car and got beaten easily!

[scotty]

Erm... that fact is correct if you account for the change in points scoring system.

Driver assessment! Not driver and car compared to other cars 2007 Maca was a top car all season/2010 Maca was clearly not!2007

All i said is just that that fact is purely correct, which it is. I never mentioned anything else in my post. You keep banging on about the car being relevant but to an extent it isn't, a driver can have the best car and still drive a poor season. Look at Vettel last season, blindingly fast sometimes, then crashing into anything that moved at others. In a season like '07 he'd have been miles away from the title fight with inconsistency like that.

2007 Lewis beat his 2WDC teammate/2010 Lewis beat his 1WDC teammate
So saying Lewis' performance was worst "because" of wins/poles/podiums is plain IGNORANT,without taking in fact that the current WDC was in the same car and got beaten easily!

He had to deal with the reigning champion in both these seasons, yeah, except Alonso is a far superior driver to Button, which merely reinforces my point.

I never said his performance last season compared to 2007 was worse based on the stats ALONE, so it's highly amusing and ironic for you to be calling me ignorant. I've already given my reasoning clearly in recent pages.

[vaptin]

You know the off seasons drawing to a close when you get another rabid Lewis v Alonso thread, or maybe it means you know they pushed back the season start date.

[f1ea]

EPIC FAIL!
You clearly are unable to make a driver assessment/comparison!

Really?? i am surprised.
What is an EPIC FAIL?? because i have just given you many more solid reasons than yours, and to bury your claims even further:
In 2008 Massa comprehensively beat a WDC in the same car.... which of the 2 is the better driver??
In 2010 Rosberg comprehensively beat a 7x WDC in the same car.... aw c'mon.

All i said is just that that fact is purely correct, which it is. I never mentioned anything else in my post. You keep banging on about the car being relevant but to an extent it isn't, a driver can have the best car and still drive a poor season. Look at Vettel last season, blindingly fast sometimes, then crashing into anything that moved at others. In a season like '07 he'd have been miles away from the title fight with inconsistency like that.

(and relief) I was beginning to think i was crazy

You know the off seasons drawing to a close when you get another rabid Lewis v Alonso thread, or maybe it means you know they pushed back the season start date.

Warming up....

[The Ram]

Book reveals Alonso tried to sabotage Hamilton’s car


LONDON: Lewis Hamilton has learned the full extent of the treachery of former team-mate Fernando Alonso.

A new book reveals how the spiteful Spaniard actually asked the pair’s McLaren team boss Ron Dennis to sabotage Hamilton’s car to ensure it ran out of fuel.

And it confirms Alonso also tried to ‘blackmail’ Dennis into making him their No. 1 driver as he and Hamilton bitterly fought each other for the Formula One world title.

The shocking claims come in Tom Bowers’ just-published biography “No Angel: The Secret Life of Bernie Ecclestone.”

The book reveals Alonso gave his boss an ultimatum just hours ahead of the 2007 Hungarian Grand Prix.

It says he warned Dennis he would hand over incriminating emails to the sport’s governing body the FIA if he was not given preferential treatment over his rival.

These latest revelations are sure to deepen the feud between the two former world champions.

______________________________________________

How trustworthy is the source though? Is this something which is helping to promote the book? If it is a marketing ploy, it's definitely working...I can't wait to get my hands on it!!

It's official, Hamilton was too hot for Alonso even as a ROOKIE!!

[F1er]

EPIC FAIL!
You clearly are unable to make a driver assessment/comparison!

Really?? i am surprised.
What is an EPIC FAIL?? because i have just given you many more solid reasons than yours, and to bury your claims even further:
In 2008 Massa comprehensively beat a WDC in the same car.... which of the 2 is the better driver??
In 2010 Rosberg comprehensively beat a 7x WDC in the same car.... aw c'mon.

Yes and Massa in 05 beat another WDC in the same car,beat Kimi in 08,was beating him in 09 until he got injured

Rosberg vs Schumi are we comparing historically ? ,because ATM Nico is way better than Schumi! that again shows your inability to compare drivers

[f1ea]

Yes and Massa in 05 beat another WDC in the same car,beat Kimi in 08,was beating him in 09 until he got injured

Rosberg vs Schumi are we comparing historically ? ,because ATM Nico is way better than Schumi! that again shows your inability to compare drivers

LOL

[Hammer278]

4. Why is finishing on better point than a WDC make a driver better?? cars, rules, situations and everything change from season to season.

Not trying to earn cool points! I'm really LMAO

To answer your ridiculous comments.............because HE WHO adapts better to changes of rules,cars and situations is the better driver! And all those you mentioned are the SAME for both drivers!

I have no answer to your [Why is finishing on better point than a WDC make a driver better?]
if you dont see it that way than I suggest Ice Skating or Diving would be a great sport for you to follow

Short and sweet. Unfortunately I think he still won't get it...

For the record F1ea, I dont care if Lewis did his best in 2007. He still beat a 2x WDC teammate, and won the WDC the next year, and then in 2010, beat another reigning WDC.

Alonsos best years were probably in Minardi when he was outperforming whoever his teammate was. In Renault he had a car which was bullet proof while the competition were only breaking down every odd race. <-- See how completely STUPID this assessment is? Maybe throwing it back in your face might help you see how ridiculous your claims are about Lewis.....but I won't bet on it. I'd rather try and teach my pet fish how to jump through hoops on fire.

[The Ram]

What does Hamilton have to do to show that he was better than Alonso that year? Get water from the moon? Turn the sand into the sea? Steal the stars from the sky?

[F1er]

That's not being disputed,but f1ea has this ridiculous idea,or more like a personal opinion of his,that Lewis has not gotten any better!!

I dont understand how can you not get better with experience. specially in motor racing, when any racing fan KNOWS that track time is golden,and the more the BETTER!
The idiocy is unbearable sometimes

[FRAFPDD]

That's not being disputed,but f1ea has this ridiculous idea,or more like a personal opinion of his,that Lewis has not gotten any better!!

I dont understand how can you not get better with experience. specially in motor racing, when any racing fan KNOWS that track time is golden,and the more the BETTER!
The idiocy is unbearable sometimes

FORM is TEMPORARY, CLASS is PERMANENT.

I think Hamilton performed BETTER in 2010 and 2009 then 2007 and 2008 because he made mistakes in all four years that given the competitiveness or rather lack of it in the latter two years, meant that any mistake he made was magnified, because he didnt have the car to afford those mistakes. I doubt he wont make a mistake like that this year too, but i half expect it to be honest.

And yet still he finished right up there in 2009 and moreso 2010 despite the stupid cars and stupid mistakes. Hes always made these mistakes. We live with it, others feed on it. Sure this year could be different, infact 2010 was different!? the only real mistake was Monza no matter what anyone thinks, that was the only one he can take blame for. So yeah he is getting better.