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[FRAFPDD]

Is anyone else worried that this season is gonna be the complete opposite of 2010 and its just gonna be absolute crap?


-The tyres seem to only last a lap before dropping off, what the hell is the point in that?
- Ferrari and Red Bull seem to be the class of the field by a fair bit and i dont know if i can take a step back from last year where 3 teams had the best chance
- (From a supporters POV) Mclaren have come up with YET AGAIN and absolute retard of a car. This is getting beyond a joke now.
- First theres no overtaking, then theyve made rubbish tyres and a rear wing that the drivers are saying make it far too easy, means that all the overtaking will be done in the first 10 laps of the race, in simliar boring fashion
- The hype of for Mercedes comes to nothing and they hardly make an impression on anything
- Because the stupid king of Bahrain thought the world would take a blind eye if he shot dissenters, we may have to wait antoher agonising 14 days to the first grand prix, and possibly lose out on one.
- Cars will be driven at 80 percent and no more at any point in the season in order to preserve the incompetent italians tyres.


I didnt have these worries until testing started and the jigsaw started falling apart. Not looking forward to it much anymore.

[spankyham]

Is anyone else worried that this season is gonna be the complete opposite of 2010 and its just gonna be absolute crap?

Only by the MRW and, at least they can change the implementation for it, so, I'm not too worried.

-The tyres seem to only last a lap before dropping off, what the hell is the point in that?

In this article Jenson says "I like the feeling of the tyre". There are other drivers who have said similar things.

- Ferrari and Red Bull seem to be the class of the field by a fair bit and i dont know if i can take a step back from last year where 3 teams had the best chance
- (From a supporters POV) Mclaren have come up with YET AGAIN and absolute retard of a car. This is getting beyond a joke now.

I think you are reading far too much into testing. And remember, McLaren are at a stage of development where Ferrari and Red Bull were back in Jerez. McLaren have developed a lot of innovation and their car will take longer to develop and understand. Give them time, I think they will be there or thereabouts when it counts.
BTW, if you really are tired of supporting McLaren, you're welcome to come over to the "dark red side"

- First theres no overtaking, then theyve made rubbish tyres and a rear wing that the drivers are saying make it far too easy, means that all the overtaking will be done in the first 10 laps of the race, in simliar boring fashion
- The hype of for Mercedes comes to nothing and they hardly make an impression on anything

Ditto on Mercedes, don't read too much into comparisons between cars. What counts is what they are comparing and testing and how they are getting through their test programs.

- Because the stupid king of Bahrain thought the world would take a blind eye if he shot dissenters, we may have to wait antoher agonising 14 days to the first grand prix, and possibly lose out on one.

"Force majeure" You gotta grin and bear it, like floods earthquakes some things are beyond our (F1 fans) control. You could also look on the bright side - maybe this will make the F1 gods look less favourably on these new/unreliable/not-so-good tracks and back towards the unused great ones like Imola (my favourite) and A1-Ring.

- Cars will be driven at 80 percent and no more at any point in the season in order to preserve the incompetent italians tyres.

My Italian heritage is pushing me to snap back with something, but, I'll let it slide and put it down to some pent up frustration on your part. What I will point out is that Pirelli were given clear instructions to create a tyre that would last around 150Klms. This will give us 2 stop strategies, and that's what Pirelli were asked to deliver. It's a little harsh to call them incompetent when all they are doing is providing a tyre to the spec they were given.
Also, I have posted elsewhere that Fernando got 40 laps out of a set of tyres which was over 180Klms, and his lap times on that run didn't drop off that suddenly or dramatically. You also have Jenson's comments (see above link).

I didnt have these worries until testing started and the jigsaw started falling apart. Not looking forward to it much anymore.

I think you'll change your feelings if your team/driver have a win .... and they certainly are capable of achieving just that!

[FRAFPDD]

Didnt mean anything sinister with the imcompetence, doesnt take anything away from how useless the tyres seem to be.

Also, im sure that you know i couldnt give half a **** if Jenson likes the tyres, why do i get this pathetic insane conspiracy that Martin Whitmarsh is more of a Button fan then Lewis, and that the extra pitstop in aus and overtake in turkey was a sly attempt at Whitmarsh to make Button look better.

If this fool in charge at Mclaren wants to keep his job he should do everything he can to favour Hamilton other then team orders, now theyre oing on about 2011 will be better for Jens as the car is equally suited, well arent you nice Martin, another year without a WDC but your drivers are friends.

Its easy for yourself to include Jensons comments as a plus cause hes not really a threat.

Getting reallly annoyed now, oh and Bahrain is officially cancelled. What a day.

[Jensonb]

Why would you want a repeat of last year's absurd tyre situation where the Option could, at times, do the entire race? Even the Prime shouldn't be able to do the entire race, otherwise the mandatory pit stop is a farce (Which it sort of is anyway).

[vaptin]

You sure are a negative poster, I hope you have regular blood pressure checks

Now, the tyres, first of all think back to Canada, Korea, Spa, Australia, for 2010 (the races not the countries as a whole), some of the best, no? What was interesting? To a greater or lesser extent the tyres, mainly caused by rain, but still, the fact that it was really variable how much grip was available on what tyre, and between individual drivers. We've got something similar, as Prielli (sp), are bringing tyre compounds with massive differences in performance to each race.

Also, tyre degradation is a massive variable, it won't effect every driver equally, whereas last year with the super durable tyres it didn't really matter as most of the time every damn driver on the grid didn't have to worry about tyres going of. This massive difference in tyres which I think we'll see between drivers within the race will create ample opportunity for overtaking, Alonso said something similar (more so than the rear wing and kers), it will also force team strategists into thinking again, as tyres and tyre wear is one of the hardest factors to predict.

It'll also make it harder for the drivers, we might see more mistakes.

Perelli were also asked and stated they wanted to make tyres that would degrade and add to the stragety. We've also seen drivers doing long runs, and I think the tyres are still being developed. so its not that bad.

With developments etc to the cars the order can change rapidly, remember Renault might also have made a leap up.



Bahrain sucks, but at the end of the season, I don't think we'll remember the race being postponed or cancelled, as long as we still get 20 in total which I think we will.

[FRAFPDD]

Why would you want a repeat of last year's absurd tyre situation where the Option could, at times, do the entire race? Even the Prime shouldn't be able to do the entire race, otherwise the mandatory pit stop is a farce (Which it sort of is anyway).

Why would you want races where the car of the year is the one thats easiest on its tyres.

Or, why would you want a season where the pit window is open after 3 laps. Where tyres have the average lifetime of a cotton bud.

[Jensonb]

Why would you want a repeat of last year's absurd tyre situation where the Option could, at times, do the entire race? Even the Prime shouldn't be able to do the entire race, otherwise the mandatory pit stop is a farce (Which it sort of is anyway).

Why would you want races where the car of the year is the one thats easiest on its tyres.

Or, why would you want a season where the pit window is open after 3 laps. Where tyres have the average lifetime of a cotton bud.

Because I find strategy and tyre management adds a fascinating layer of mystery and introduces wildcard aspects to the relatively simple act of "going like stink".

[FRAFPDD]

You sure are a negative poster, I hope you have regular blood pressure checks

Now, the tyres, first of all think back to Canada, Korea, Spa, Australia, for 2010 (the races not the countries as a whole), some of the best, no? What was interesting? To a greater or lesser extent the tyres, mainly caused by rain, but still, the fact that it was really variable how much grip was available on what tyre, and between individual drivers. We've got something similar, as Prielli (sp), are bringing tyre compounds with massive differences in performance to each race.

Also, tyre degradation is a massive variable, it won't effect every driver equally, whereas last year with the super durable tyres it didn't really matter as most of the time every damn driver on the grid didn't have to worry about tyres going of. This massive difference in tyres which I think we'll see between drivers within the race will create ample opportunity for overtaking, Alonso said something similar (more so than the rear wing and kers), it will also force team strategists into thinking again, as tyres and tyre wear is one of the hardest factors to predict.

It'll also make it harder for the drivers, we might see more mistakes.

Perelli were also asked and stated they wanted to make tyres that would degrade and add to the stragety. We've also seen drivers doing long runs, and I think the tyres are still being developed. so its not that bad.

With developments etc to the cars the order can change rapidly, remember Renault might also have made a leap up.



Bahrain sucks, but at the end of the season, I don't think we'll remember the race being postponed or cancelled, as long as we still get 20 in total which I think we will.

No i am not, and that first line has annoyed me somewhat, when everyone moaned about legard i didnt, when everyone moaned about the MRW i didnt, when everyone moans about how boring tracks are i dont. It takes a lot for me to be negative over something and as such is probably why you think i am, because when i am, i REALLY am. If you want to you can find the various posts on the mentioned things above and see what i had to say. The thing im most negative about is other fans negativity ironically.

[vaptin]

No i am not, and that first line has annoyed me somewhat,

Case in point,

Sorry, anyway I didn't mean anything by it, lets just talk f1, I was on dodgy ground making "personal" comments there, true.

[FRAFPDD]

Why would you want a repeat of last year's absurd tyre situation where the Option could, at times, do the entire race? Even the Prime shouldn't be able to do the entire race, otherwise the mandatory pit stop is a farce (Which it sort of is anyway).

Why would you want races where the car of the year is the one thats easiest on its tyres.

Or, why would you want a season where the pit window is open after 3 laps. Where tyres have the average lifetime of a cotton bud.

Because I find strategy and tyre management adds a fascinating layer of mystery and introduces wildcard aspects to the relatively simple act of "going like stink".

Tyre management and strategy should never have more then a 50 percent share in what gets you a win in F1 IMO, and it looks set to absolutely trounce that percentage. It is a fascinatining component to F1, but neither the traditional or expected method of winning. Going fastest is. Always has been, and always should be.

[FRAFPDD]

No i am not, and that first line has annoyed me somewhat,

Case in point,

Sorry, anyway I didn't mean anything by it, lets just talk f1, I was on dodgy ground making "personal" comments there, true.

If you were the nicest person on this forum and someone came along the one time you were mean or insulting and called you the biggest b*stard alive, im sure as anything you wouldnt keep your mouth shut. I dont appreciate being labelled really negative when others are endlessly complaining about one thing or another from tracks, to commentators, to drivers. Even now i dont hold it against you, this is a negative thread of mine, for negative thoughts, im sure it may appear as such.

[vaptin]

No i am not, and that first line has annoyed me somewhat,

Case in point,

Sorry, anyway I didn't mean anything by it, lets just talk f1, I was on dodgy ground making "personal" comments there, true.

If you were the nicest person on this forum and someone came along the one time you were mean or insulting and called you the biggest b*stard alive, im sure as anything you wouldnt keep your mouth shut. I dont appreciate being labelled really negative when others are endlessly complaining about one thing or another from tracks, to commentators, to drivers. Even now i dont hold it against you, this is a negative thread of mine, for negative thoughts, im sure it may appear as such.

Hey, I wasn't actually trying to insult you, I just have quite a depreciating sense of humour, did the same thing when I said "case in point", I don't think I called you the "biggest B*stard alive" either.

Oh yeah, there's loads of negativity around here from other posters.

[Jensonb]

Why would you want a repeat of last year's absurd tyre situation where the Option could, at times, do the entire race? Even the Prime shouldn't be able to do the entire race, otherwise the mandatory pit stop is a farce (Which it sort of is anyway).

Why would you want races where the car of the year is the one thats easiest on its tyres.

Or, why would you want a season where the pit window is open after 3 laps. Where tyres have the average lifetime of a cotton bud.

Because I find strategy and tyre management adds a fascinating layer of mystery and introduces wildcard aspects to the relatively simple act of "going like stink".

Tyre management and strategy should never have more then a 50 percent share in what gets you a win in F1 IMO, and it looks set to absolutely trounce that percentage. It is a fascinatining component to F1, but neither the traditional or expected method of winning. Going fastest is. Always has been, and always should be.

Depends on if you see F1 as a marathon or a sprint really. Both are valid ways to see it, just differing perspectives.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

To advance, the sport has to evolve due to its own natural internal stresses. Every time the FIA writes another rule prescribing the construction of the cars, the sport comes one step closer to being homogenised.

...Depends on if you see F1 as a marathon or a sprint really. Both are valid ways to see it, just differing perspectives.

I've always thought of it more as a scone with clouted cream.

[FRAFPDD]

That is fundamentally what is wrong with F1, the rule changes EVERY year, its like they all signed an agreement to let a new team win each year. I miss 2008.......... two years of cars dominating and it looks set to be a third, now i know how 2000-5 must of felt..........


STOP CHANGING THE RULES!