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[Martin]

Maybe a fair point Bud, I suppose its because the FIA / motor racing is of European origin. I would have no problem with, indeed I would welcome an Aussie or 2 in the FIA, but it would not be practical for there to be representatives from every country raced in. However, it would be practical for every team to be represented.

[onelapdown]

I don't see the FIA being biased as a dictionary would define it, but they're vulnerable when it comes to being pressured, and Ferrari are more inclined to use politics than other teams, and better at it too.

[8-ball]

7UpJordan this is a brilliant post! It confirms what I have been saying the FIA are "inconsistent" not biased with their punishments. The problem is simple to solve...

get rid of Moseley the guy has gone way past his sell by date. It's time for fresh blood and fresher ideas.

[onelapdown]

To be fair to Moseley he was a breath of fresh air after Balestre, acted as well as anyone could after the disasters in 1994, and played a part in making F1 much more popular than it was before, but he's become a bit unhinged of late - definitely past his sell-by date

[Martin]

I agree with that onelapdown.
maybe the FIA should also have supporter representation.
F1 is very insular and inward looking in some ways. I remember Todt saying that they (Ferrari F1 team) have responsibility only to Fiat and their sponsors. When pressed about the fans he said something like - of course the fans are important to us and they give us a lot of support, but our finance and technology does not come from them so our main priority must be to Ferrari and our sponsors.
He completely overlooked the point, as he would, that the sponsors only support Ferrari (or any team) because of the commercial payback form the fans. If there were no fans there would be no sponsors. I think that maybe the FIA and the teams (some anyway) are so full of their own importance that they actually have little regard for us supporters.

[onelapdown]

I agree with that onelapdown.
maybe the FIA should also have supporter representation.
F1 is very insular and inward looking in some ways. I remember Todt saying that they (Ferrari F1 team) have responsibility only to Fiat and their sponsors. When pressed about the fans he said something like - of course the fans are important to us and they give us a lot of support, but our finance and technology does not come from them so our main priority must be to Ferrari and our sponsors.
He completely overlooked the point, as he would, that the sponsors only support Ferrari (or any team) because of the commercial payback form the fans. If there were no fans there would be no sponsors. I think that maybe the FIA and the teams (some anyway) are so full of their own importance that they actually have little regard for us supporters.

I certainly think that fans who attend races get a poor deal, paying more and more for less and less, but that's Bernie's fault. I don't know if anyone used to read Bernie's short-lived "Formula 1" magazine (as opposed to "F1 Racing" magazine) but I think anyone who did would agree that it pretty much summed up where Bernie's got it wrong - too much seperation between the champagne-quaffers in the paddock and the dedicated fans who queue up at the gates in the small hours. But as long as Bernie makes the $$$ he doesn't care.

[Martin]

Martin wrote:
I agree with that onelapdown.
maybe the FIA should also have supporter representation.
F1 is very insular and inward looking in some ways. I remember Todt saying that they (Ferrari F1 team) have responsibility only to Fiat and their sponsors. When pressed about the fans he said something like - of course the fans are important to us and they give us a lot of support, but our finance and technology does not come from them so our main priority must be to Ferrari and our sponsors.
He completely overlooked the point, as he would, that the sponsors only support Ferrari (or any team) because of the commercial payback form the fans. If there were no fans there would be no sponsors. I think that maybe the FIA and the teams (some anyway) are so full of their own importance that they actually have little regard for us supporters.

I certainly think that fans who attend races get a poor deal, paying more and more for less and less, but that's Bernie's fault. I don't know if anyone used to read Bernie's short-lived "Formula 1" magazine (as opposed to "F1 Racing" magazine) but I think anyone who did would agree that it pretty much summed up where Bernie's got it wrong - too much seperation between the champagne-quaffers in the paddock and the dedicated fans who queue up at the gates in the small hours. But as long as Bernie makes the $$$ he doesn't care.

Right again onelapdown. I saw 1 copy of Bernies mag and know what you mean. Having worked in racing for many years I dont go to races now, (cant bear to be near people doing what I want to do) but I am an avid TV watcher. The sponsors want that TV coverage. Perhaps we should form a world wide fans association. That mught give Berni and Todt someting to think about.

[Martin]

Martin wrote:
I agree with that onelapdown.
maybe the FIA should also have supporter representation.
F1 is very insular and inward looking in some ways. I remember Todt saying that they (Ferrari F1 team) have responsibility only to Fiat and their sponsors. When pressed about the fans he said something like - of course the fans are important to us and they give us a lot of support, but our finance and technology does not come from them so our main priority must be to Ferrari and our sponsors.
He completely overlooked the point, as he would, that the sponsors only support Ferrari (or any team) because of the commercial payback form the fans. If there were no fans there would be no sponsors. I think that maybe the FIA and the teams (some anyway) are so full of their own importance that they actually have little regard for us supporters.

I certainly think that fans who attend races get a poor deal, paying more and more for less and less, but that's Bernie's fault. I don't know if anyone used to read Bernie's short-lived "Formula 1" magazine (as opposed to "F1 Racing" magazine) but I think anyone who did would agree that it pretty much summed up where Bernie's got it wrong - too much seperation between the champagne-quaffers in the paddock and the dedicated fans who queue up at the gates in the small hours. But as long as Bernie makes the $$$ he doesn't care.

Right again onelapdown. I saw 1 copy of Bernies mag and know what you mean. Having worked in racing for many years I dont go to races now, (cant bear to be near people doing what I want to do) but I am an avid TV watcher. The sponsors want that TV coverage. Perhaps we should form a world wide fans association. That mught give Berni and Todt someting to think about.

[7UpJordan]

Bud I agree Shumi's 97 & 94 were major brain snaps & unacceptable in my eyes.
But it’s a bumout saying Sennas was OK because it was payback. All equally unacceptable.

Schumacher could well have had his 1994 title taken away if Williams had decided to appeal, but the team was still recovering from Senna's death and Patrick Head said it would be wrong to win a title through an appeal after Senna died driving a Williams.

Also, in 1994 not only was TC, Active suspension Etc banned but refueling was reintroduced, which favoured cars with thirsty engines (such as Ferrari's V12 for example.)

McLaren almost ended up using a V12 in 1994, a Lamborghini V12. In tests at Estoril it was clearly miles better than the Peugeout V10 but Ron spent too long fumbling around and Lamborghini then pulled out of F1 taking away Larrousse's supply as well.

[manbearpig]

arguement is Karma dude Prost had it coming after he turned in on him in 89 Suzuka!

OK , I though that's what you were getting at . What comes around goes around . But that first deal between Prost and Senna was payback for other things Senna had done over the years . Prost didn't realize you didn't get even with Senna though . And Prost wasn't the only driver he had trouble with , just the one standing between him and the championship . That's the reason it happened . Senna didn't give a tinkers damn who it was . He could smell the championship .

the briefing shows Senna was not too impressed with Prost voting for what Senna got DQ for in 89 as being ok should something like that happen in the chicane again in 1990, you see Piquet putting the case forward, add ontop the Pole position grid spot being swapped over after qualifying where the pole spot was not on the rubbered side of the track so who ever got P2 had the advantage. when before qualifying the stewards said the pole spot would be on the rubbered side of the track.
I believe Senna even said before the race that he was just going for the first corner no matter what! Prost didnt even lift knowing that Senna definately wasnt so whose to blame there huh

But he kept the championship , even after admiting to doing it on purpose . All in all , it was a wash , considering what had happened the year before , my only real beef with him was it denied Ferrari a championship , but it would have happened no matter what car Prost was in .

[Ron Dennis]

7UpJordan this is a brilliant post! It confirms what I have been saying the FIA are "inconsistent" not biased with their punishments. The problem is simple to solve...

get rid of Moseley the guy has gone way past his sell by date. It's time for fresh blood and fresher ideas.

what about getting rid of the Ferrari employees off the FIA? Do you think this would help? Do you think that Ferrari not having 1/3rd of the vote on help making them less bias?

[basil_fawlty]

7UpJordan this is a brilliant post! It confirms what I have been saying the FIA are "inconsistent" not biased with their punishments. The problem is simple to solve...

get rid of Moseley the guy has gone way past his sell by date. It's time for fresh blood and fresher ideas.

C'mon, would you rather have Mr. Mosely or that frog with a girl name from 15-20 years ago running the show ?

BTW, how do you put an image in one's signature in one's profile here?

[Maser250F]

7UpJordan this is a brilliant post! It confirms what I have been saying the FIA are "inconsistent" not biased with their punishments. The problem is simple to solve...

get rid of Moseley the guy has gone way past his sell by date. It's time for fresh blood and fresher ideas.

C'mon, would you rather have Mr. Mosely or that frog with a girl name from 15-20 years ago running the show ?

BTW, how do you put an image in one's signature in one's profile here?

Oh, I can't wait to see this. You're my new favorite member on formula1.net, also known as wewishbritainstillruledtheworld.com.

[basil_fawlty]

7UpJordan this is a brilliant post! It confirms what I have been saying the FIA are "inconsistent" not biased with their punishments. The problem is simple to solve...

get rid of Moseley the guy has gone way past his sell by date. It's time for fresh blood and fresher ideas.

C'mon, would you rather have Mr. Mosely or that frog with a girl name from 15-20 years ago running the show ?

BTW, how do you put an image in one's signature in one's profile here?

Oh, I can't wait to see this. You're my new favorite member on formula1.net, also known as wewishbritainstillruledtheworld.com.

Our language, though adulterated by most, is the one used by diplomats and businessmen. Our culture is also the most influential. And we most certainly rule the F1 world, as the vast majority of teams are based in England. Perhaps you can compensate for your deficiencies by further finding fault in others?



It's not my problem you were born outside of the loveliest, and greatest country on God's green Earth?

[Maser250F]

Our language, though adulterated by most, is the one used by diplomats and businessmen. Our culture is also the most influential. And we most certainly rule the F1 world, as the vast majority of teams are based in England. Perhaps you can compensate for your deficiencies by further finding fault in others?



It's not my problem you were born outside of the loveliest, and greatest country on God's green Earth?

Oh, my God. You can't be for real. RD is that you having a bit of fun? Oh, you're a silly one.

All that stuff you said about the greatness of Britain? Is it a fair trade for the yellow scraggly teeth you're all cursed with? Was it a deal with the devil/The Real Ron Dennis?

Here's to hoping the flood I hear's about to hit knocks a few of you off Internet. Too much to ask it to wash the whole damn island away.