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[f1usa]

This rear wing is, I feel, an example of what's wrong with these gimmicks. Its use is so heavily restricted and regulated, that whilst it might prompt more overtakes, it will also - crucially - make all those overtakes exactly the same.

The FIA doesn't understand our sport any more. It's not the number of overtakes that makes a race exciting, it's the variety of overtaking opportunities and attempts.

Seeing every car be blitzed on the back straight is going to be farcical.

Sounds like this wing will work like the Hanford Device (didn't have moveable slat) used in CART during the 90's.

[JackMaster]

It's still better than if there is a guy who deserves to be in front puts it on pole and leads for the whole race until the last lap and loses it to the adjustable wing

In that case, he has to push harder to take an advantage of more than a second from the other driver. If he can’t, it's because the second driver is faster than him. So, it’s fairer that he has at least the opportunity to overtake him. It’s pretty obvious.

[spankyham]

It's still better than if there is a guy who deserves to be in front puts it on pole and leads for the whole race until the last lap and loses it to the adjustable wing

In that case, he has to push harder to take an advantage of more than a second from the other driver. If he can’t, it's because the second driver is faster than him. So, it’s fairer that he has at least the opportunity to overtake him. It’s pretty obvious.

When you think about it, this will almost guarantee that a car cannot pull away from the one behind. In modern F1 to pull out a second, in one lap, on the car behind just isn't going to happen very often. Cars A & B going down the magic rear wing straight 2 tenths apart at the end of the straight. Car A (in front) puts in a great lap and by the time they get back to the magic-rear-wing-straight has opened the lead up to 3/4 of a second (amazing effort if they are top contenders). However all his efforts are for nothing because car B is within a second and uses the magic-rear-wing to close back down to 1 or 2 tenths behind car A.

So we have almost guaranteed a car cannot open a gap no matter how well he drives, because unless he can open up more than a seconds gap in one lap he's going to loose it all the next time down the straight.

So, if no car is clearly a second a lap faster than another car, what's the point in racing hard to open a gap. There's no harm in falling behind because the other car can't open a gap on you either. So what this does, as I've said before, is reduce the value of getting ahead (being in front) and it reduces the value of qualifying.

The other thing this will do is make all overtaking the one type, with the magic-wing on the designated straight. If a car really does want to pass, why on earth try a late braking maneuver or going around the outside - you know - the spectacular and breathtaking overtakes we really enjoy. Why try any of those high risk moves when you know you can simply rely on the race stewards to put you in front when desired.

A really stupid, artificial, untested, poorly thought out rule.

[Robert12010]

the thing is your not allowed to defend the moveable rear wing, but what if you use kers, then what happens?

[nish2280]

the thing is your not allowed to defend the moveable rear wing, but what if you use kers, then what happens?

Its pretty much irrelevant, Kers will now just be a part of the engine's functionality as every driver will have it (probably) so chances are that both cars will be KERSing down the straight, thus canceling out its advantage.

[Jensonb]

It's still better than if there is a guy who deserves to be in front puts it on pole and leads for the whole race until the last lap and loses it to the adjustable wing

In that case, he has to push harder to take an advantage of more than a second from the other driver. If he can’t, it's because the second driver is faster than him. So, it’s fairer that he has at least the opportunity to overtake him. It’s pretty obvious.

No, it could equally be because they're on the same pace

[vaptin]

It depends entirely on how much the advantage of the moved wing is, will it really enable a driver to just breeze past? Or simply allow them to make a move.

[darwin dali]

I think we will see that the adjustable rear wing will be most effective (and used) in cases where the car behind is clearly faster than the car in front, but somehow (dirty air or whatever) has trouble getting past the car in front (haven't we seen this a lot??). In those cases, there's no retaking the position the next lap because the passing car is faster and is able to create a gap that's bigger than 1 second within the following lap.
In the cases debated above where the speed differential between the two cars is relatively small, I find it acceptable that there will be a back and forth to a certain extend - it's basically the same situation as before (position-wise, on average, i.e., it was 2nd and 3rd, now it's on average 2.5th if this makes sense), it simply switched from a static picture of 2nd and 3rd to a more dynamic and fluent picture of 2nd and 3rd switching back and forth with the chance of some driver's errors (missed buttons, missed apex, etc.) occurring being increased.

[FRAFPDD]

I wish some people would go read the proposed rules and regs rather then starting a massive witch hunt on it.

you need to be two seconds behind to use it, if your going to wait until the last lap, your tyres, engine and car is gonna be all over the plavce due to keeping up with the leading car for so long in such turbulent dirty air.


F1 drivers arent idiots or cowboys, i highly doubt they will risk even the last two laps to overtake someone, who is going to defend religiously if only cause of the cockiness of the car behind.

There are only some places you can use it per lap, i believe the FIA have yet to designate these but i may be wrong. you cant just use it whenever you want.

Overtaking is hard enough without gimmicks, and im sure an extra 9 mph from a rear wing wont mean the pass is either guaranteed and/or boring.


All KERS are team produced, some will be better then others whether both attackin and defending car use it on the straights.


Lastly, have some god damn faith in the best tecnhnical engineers in the world, sure the team principals have been quoted as sceptical, but its only natura with something like this.

Oh yeah and if they do turn out to ruin our beloved sport, ill eat all the humble pie you guys will feed me for such a rant. but im adamant it wont.

[scotty]

I wish some people would go read the proposed rules and regs rather then starting a massive witch hunt on it.

you need to be two seconds behind to use it

That would be one second behind!

[texasmr2]

I wish some people would go read the proposed rules and regs rather then starting a massive witch hunt on it.

you need to be two seconds behind to use it

That would be one second behind!

[FRAFPDD]

I wish some people would go read the proposed rules and regs rather then starting a massive witch hunt on it.

you need to be two seconds behind to use it

That would be one second behind!

Which makes me look stupid lololol, but also helps me point, 1 second means even dirtier hotter and turbulent air

[texasmr2]

Not stupid just wrong .

[scotty]

Which makes me look stupid lololol, but also helps me point, 1 second means even dirtier hotter and turbulent air

Yeah your point was fair, just having a joke cause of what you said

It's like we saw at times last season though, sometimes the guy in P2 would drop back a couple of seconds to keep everything working properly. Of course that was usually when the driver had a pace advantage over the leader. Come to think of it i can't actually think of a recent situation whereby the two lead cars were together on track and ultimately showed themselves to have the same net pace...

[Robert12010]

I wish some people would go read the proposed rules and regs rather then starting a massive witch hunt on it.

you need to be two seconds behind to use it

That would be one second behind!