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[FRAFPDD]

not to be inconsiderate or insulting, really im not believe me, but this is exactly what happens when you keep something like the constitution with its outdated laws, theres a reason america is the sole nation on earth in wgich gun ownership is so easy, cause its too damn dangerous.

I don't buy that... Canada has a much higher per capita gun ownership than the US, and a much lower gun violence rate.

is that legal gun ownership? as in "defend my house from a burglat with this minigun" or illegal hun ownership?

You can’t do anything about guns rights. How many guns there are now in people’s hands? If you made them illegal, criminals would continue being fully armed and only them. In fact US Constitution protect the rights to be armed for self defense and eventual fight against tyranny. I’m more on Burn’s side, are people and politicians spreading hate and Corporations defending their interests, who are guilty for such things happening. Also extreme poverty and outlaw ghettos produce a lot of killings.
I know that DD wasn’t talking seriously but any way I have to say that I also consider torture the worst and most corrupted crime in earth and one of the few things that NEVER are justified.

arm the police then ban
guns, it makea no difference that
criminals have them doesnit? they were gonna rob, steal from
you anyway whether your armed or not.

as for torture, i would lose no sleep torturing a fellow briton, religious fanatic, foreign spy,
if it meant id save more lives for one persons temporary suffering, ESPECIALLY as these people wouldnt show me any mercy had i heen say caugght spying in say north korea or china. torture os the most
effective way of getting answers.
quickly.

[FRAFPDD]

as for gunpoint robbed in london, UNBELIEVABLY rare, 99 percent of britons wouldnt even consider gun crime as a SMALL! possibility in the capital, we only have about 60 gun deaths a year.
knife crime is a completelt different case though, equally as dangerous as guns imho and its very common in rough areas over here.

Yes I found it rather odd myself BUT we must not forget or even believe that the UK is any different than any other country when it comes to crooks having firearm's. We here can legally own and cary them while in the UK you cannot. I guess I'm just trying to say that no country is any better than any other.

thats where our wores
cross, this isnt a sausage waving attempt at getting one for beloved blighty, just my opinion on guns etc,
id
much rather live in the us (again) as i hate the present day shithole that is the UK.

[JackMaster]

not to be inconsiderate or insulting, really im not believe me, but this is exactly what happens when you keep something like the constitution with its outdated laws, theres a reason america is the sole nation on earth in wgich gun ownership is so easy, cause its too damn dangerous.

I don't buy that... Canada has a much higher per capita gun ownership than the US, and a much lower gun violence rate.

is that legal gun ownership? as in "defend my house from a burglat with this minigun" or illegal hun ownership?

You can’t do anything about guns rights. How many guns there are now in people’s hands? If you made them illegal, criminals would continue being fully armed and only them. In fact US Constitution protect the rights to be armed for self defense and eventual fight against tyranny. I’m more on Burn’s side, are people and politicians spreading hate and Corporations defending their interests, who are guilty for such things happening. Also extreme poverty and outlaw ghettos produce a lot of killings.
I know that DD wasn’t talking seriously but any way I have to say that I also consider torture the worst and most corrupted crime in earth and one of the few things that NEVER are justified.

arm the police then ban
guns, it makea no difference that
criminals have them doesnit? they were gonna rob, steal from
you anyway whether your armed or not.

as for torture, i would lose no sleep torturing a fellow briton, religious fanatic, foreign spy,
if it meant id save more lives for one persons temporary suffering, ESPECIALLY as these people wouldnt show me any mercy had i heen say caugght spying in say north korea or china. torture os the most
effective way of getting answers.
quickly.

Usually, when the police arrive is too late. I prefer to be armed to defend my house when I know there are a lot of armed criminals who could enter to steal or kill me and my family. And I imagine them have to be more cautious if they know that I’m armed, not defenseless.
In my opinion, fighting torture is one of the few reasons for a man to give his life for. Torture corrupts both torturer and tortured. I insist torture is never justified, it doesn’t mind what you are fighting for, even for saving innocents lives. If you become a torturer you are the worst that a man can be in earth, worst than the people you're fighting against.

[darwin dali]

If you become a torturer you are the worst that a man can be in earth.

I take exception and umbrage at this notion Don't diss my profession - it's a tough job (or can be at times)
And it is beneficial to mankind

[JackMaster]

If you become a torturer you are the worst that a man can be in earth.

I take exception and umbrage at this notion Don't diss my profession - it's a tough job (or can be at times)
And it is beneficial to mankind

Well I suppose that every rule has his exceptions. I mean, in that special case, I won’t give my life defending mankind from torture.

[texasmr2]

I took an oath to defend mankind even if it means putting my life in danger, how many here can say that ? Anyway before we all get too carried away it was a shame what happened and even though it was here in the US it stll makes me sad regardless of where it happened.

[What's Burning?]

as for gunpoint robbed in london, UNBELIEVABLY rare, 99 percent of britons wouldnt even consider gun crime as a SMALL! possibility in the capital, we only have about 60 gun deaths a year.
knife crime is a completelt different case though, equally as dangerous as guns imho and its very common in rough areas over here.

Yes I found it rather odd myself BUT we must not forget or even believe that the UK is any different than any other country when it comes to crooks having firearm's. We here can legally own and cary them while in the UK you cannot. I guess I'm just trying to say that no country is any better than any other.

thats where our wores
cross, this isnt a sausage waving attempt at getting one for beloved blighty, just my opinion on guns etc,
id
much rather live in the us (again) as i hate the present day shithole that is the UK.

The grass is always greener.

The thing with morals and values is that everyone has different standards, and that's ok, that's why we have laws, they set a common denominator of values for that country/state. But you can't pick and choose morality, like you can't pick and choose laws or amendments in the constitution, you either accept all of it or you accept none of it. that's the core issue in America, because of the preponderance of conservative religious views, a live and let live attitude becomes "immoral" and people confuse tolerance of acceptance. So the beauty of our constitution is that is provides for changes to be made as society evolves, it's not stagnant or antiquated, as a matter of fact the framework was pretty damned solid. We change our country's leadership and laws by voting, not by assassinating our leaders.

Human nature is in essence law abiding, we need it to function in society, there will always be a criminal aspect but proportionately very little crime is as harsh as murder, most of it is theft and embezzlement, and coercion and general escalating disputes. So we all have varying levels of the same problems, it's just that complacency or the unwillingness to call out hypocrisy for the sake of corporate profit and the need to get re-elected so you can't upset the apple cart, has become the norm in American politics.

I'd be all for one term, you're out type of government on an interleaved election cycle. So we can have politicians thinking about what they're elected to do, not about the next election cycle.

[McLaren]

as for gunpoint robbed in london, UNBELIEVABLY rare, 99 percent of britons wouldnt even consider gun crime as a SMALL! possibility in the capital, we only have about 60 gun deaths a year.
knife crime is a completelt different case though, equally as dangerous as guns imho and its very common in rough areas over here.

Yes I found it rather odd myself BUT we must not forget or even believe that the UK is any different than any other country when it comes to crooks having firearm's. We here can legally own and cary them while in the UK you cannot. I guess I'm just trying to say that no country is any better than any other.

But do you think as firearms are legal in the US that it makes armed robbery or mass murder more likely or certainly possible at any rate.
It's a tough law to say one way or another.On one hand a person should be able to protect their property.But on the other any idiot can carry a gun.
the fact you can carry a machine gun at any time is mental to me unless you're fighting in the forces.

[What's Burning?]

as for gunpoint robbed in london, UNBELIEVABLY rare, 99 percent of britons wouldnt even consider gun crime as a SMALL! possibility in the capital, we only have about 60 gun deaths a year.
knife crime is a completelt different case though, equally as dangerous as guns imho and its very common in rough areas over here.

Yes I found it rather odd myself BUT we must not forget or even believe that the UK is any different than any other country when it comes to crooks having firearm's. We here can legally own and cary them while in the UK you cannot. I guess I'm just trying to say that no country is any better than any other.

But do you think as firearms are legal in the US that it makes armed robbery or mass murder more likely or certainly possible at any rate.
It's a tough law to say one way or another.On one hand a person should be able to protect their property.But on the other any idiot can carry a gun.
the fact you can carry a machine gun at any time is mental to me unless you're fighting in the forces.

Statistically I think the answer to that is no, so there is something else a play and that's a cultural issue, a lot of the gun violence here is gang related, that in itself will skew the results. And they're going to kill each other with shivs lead pipes and bare hands if they didn't have guns. Guns just make it all more efficient.

[texasmr2]

the fact you can carry a machine gun at any time is mental to me unless you're fighting in the forces.

I think you have been mislead or misinformed as we do not carry 'machine guns' persay, would you like me to elaborate?

[McLaren]

the fact you can carry a machine gun at any time is mental to me unless you're fighting in the forces.

I think you have been mislead or misinformed as we do not carry 'machine guns' persay, would you like me to elaborate?

Just prosumed you could on the grounds one of my friends goes over to his dads in the states and fires one.In the middle of knowhere but still does it.Unless he isn't ment to have it lol

[McLaren]

Just interested to know someone like Tex's view on gun laws over there.

[texasmr2]

Fully automatic firearm's are illegal here so I just needed to check .

Just interested to know someone like Tex's view on gun laws over there.

Well it's nice that you asked instead of making uninformed statements. We get alot of nonsensical and uninformed opinion's I just try too helpout with how it is over here and always with good intentions.

[myownalias]

A sad day indeed but will this shooting make a blind bit of difference to anything here in the US? The United States are so entrenched in the constitution that sadly; nothing will ever change, even the media seems to think that shooting someone is a good thing to do? what the f*** is all that about? My wife who is an American wants to get out of the US and move to the UK because she fears for the safety of our kids; last year when my our son was five, a few days after school started a kid in the second grade brought in a loaded handgun. Guns don't kill people, people do; much tighter laws on gun ownership should be introduced, a psychological exam should be mandatory before being issued a gun permit in my opinion! and for God sake stop blaming violent movies and videogames for the shootings we constantly hear about in the US!

[SennaVille]

I really get the whole gun ownership in America thing. I had one when I lived there, hubby was a cop and we lived in a high crime area. That being said, I think guns are awful, hideous things. I hate them with a passion and just hope that in the future some technology will develop where it will be impossible for a criminal to fire one (not buy, because there is no way around that). There should be some kind of fingerprint recognition on triggers in the future.....