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Sorry I truly believe he is paranoid and delusional to believe such bs !

Yes bud, and you've stated it many times over, once should suffice. Let's all move along nothing to see here.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

[What's Burning?]

He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

dude that's deep.

[Hexagram]

He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

dude that's deep.

And Monza was? Monaco was?

Alonso is just as kind to his tyres as Button is.

Vettel is also good with his tyres, he went most of Monza on the same set of super softs no?

Button's kindness to his tyres is overly flattered by his team mates past and present who are overly hard on their tyres regularly. Hamilton/Barrichello.

[What's Burning?]

He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

dude that's deep.

And Monza was? Monaco was?

Alonso is just as kind to his tyres as Button is.

Vettel is also good with his tyres, he went most of Monza on the same set of super softs no?

Button's kindness to his tyres is overly flattered by his team mates past and present who are overly hard on their tyres regularly. Hamilton/Barrichello.

The situation in Abu Dhabi was different though, the softs had a period of graining that would pass, so it got progressively worse after a number of laps but then would clear out, Alonso didn't wait for them to come back.

[JackMaster]

Unfortunately there are people everywhere; in my case they are always the same, which have not respect to others. I want to excuse them and I would like to continue on topic as if nothing of that would have happened.

I read the original post and then I see others arguing over conspiracy. You guys are pretty funny sometimes.
Anyway, Stefano is a good team principle. The call was from Chris Dyer, a dire decision that had me shouting at the tv not to do. No pun intended.
Ferrari went against everything Alonso had been saying the whole time, aim for podiums. When he should have been chasing down Button for 3rd they got concerned about Webber in 12th-13th after his pitstop. Pathetic.

I’m not talking about conspiracy. I’m talking about a deal between people that had already worked together for years, elaborating successful strategies for winning races and Championships in F1.
I also believe that Stefano is a good team principle. It would be interesting to know, what are the former principle and first driver sentiments after been replaced in Ferrari.
I had the same sentiment than you when Chris Dyer made Alonso to stop. I even didn’t understand why he made stop Massa. Alonso was comfortably driving in the fourth position that he needed to win the WDC and perfectly covered by Massa fifth. He only had to drive smoothly copying Vettel to finish the race as WDC.
But Dyer ordered Massa to pit and even having the time to know the horrible situation in which he had placed him, he also ordered Alonso to stop. Everybody knew at the moment that Alonso had lost the WDC. Such a mistake in an experienced man like him has only one explanation for me. HE DID IT ON PURPOSE.
It wasn’t Ferrari who was against everything Alonso had been saying the whole time. It was Chris Dyer. It’s easy to understand why Ferrari has replaced him.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

Alonso didn’t need to overtake Button. I believe that’s evident.

The situation in Abu Dhabi was different though, the softs had a period of graining that would pass, so it got progressively worse after a number of laps but then would clear out, Alonso didn't wait for them to come back.

That’s a mere and little credible supposition and it wasn’t Alonso who didn’t wait, it was Dyer.

[vaptin]

He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

dude that's deep.

And Monza was? Monaco was?

Alonso is just as kind to his tyres as Button is.

Vettel is also good with his tyres, he went most of Monza on the same set of super softs no?

Button's kindness to his tyres is overly flattered by his team mates past and present who are overly hard on their tyres regularly. Hamilton/Barrichello.

The situation in Abu Dhabi was different though, the softs had a period of graining that would pass, so it got progressively worse after a number of laps but then would clear out, Alonso didn't wait for them to come back.

We saw one race where the tyres actually degraded significantly - Canada,

those Birdgestone softs lasted a stupid amount of time all year, the F10 is kind on its tyres. The people behind Alonso weren't in title contending cars, no reason to expect he wouldn't have cleared Kubica.

Hamilton, Vettel Button all pitted in the same period of the race as each other if I remember correctly, Alonso could've done too.

Ferrari assumed the tyres would go off, and that Vettel Button, Hamilton would follow into the pits soon as well, so they pitted Alonso to stop Webber jumping them, as we've seen all year, the right estimation should've been to assume that the tyres actually wouldn't go off, they were just in the graining phase.

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He could've just made his pit-stop on the same lap Button did, followed him around for the race basically.

If Alonso could get as many laps from a set of supersofts as Button, he wouldn't be Alonso.

dude that's deep.

And Monza was? Monaco was?

Alonso is just as kind to his tyres as Button is.

Vettel is also good with his tyres, he went most of Monza on the same set of super softs no?

Button's kindness to his tyres is overly flattered by his team mates past and present who are overly hard on their tyres regularly. Hamilton/Barrichello.

The situation in Abu Dhabi was different though, the softs had a period of graining that would pass, so it got progressively worse after a number of laps but then would clear out, Alonso didn't wait for them to come back.

The team didn't wait. Alonso was experiencing the same graining that everyone else was and he didn't make the call to pit. He was told to box and did what he was told.

[JackMaster]

Hamilton, Vettel Button all pitted in the same period of the race as each other if I remember correctly, Alonso could've done too.
Ferrari assumed the tyres would go off, and that Vettel Button, Hamilton would follow into the pits soon as well, so they pitted Alonso to stop Webber jumping them, as we've seen all year, the right estimation should've been to assume that the tyres actually wouldn't go off, they were just in the graining phase.

That’s a very good intentioned supposition but far less credible than that Chris Dyer made it on purpose. He couldn’t place Alonso behind Rosberg and Petrov, without any need, in a circuit like Abu Dhabi when it’s almost impossible to overtake and just expecting that he would be able to overtake them. Alonso only needed to overtake somebody, in the case that Webber would have overtaken him, and Webber was in the middle of a mess.
I understand your reluctance to believe that people in F1 could be cheating at those levels, but for me the facts talk clear and aloud.

[texasmr2]

That’s a very good intentioned supposition but far less credible than that Chris Dyer made it on purpose. He couldn’t place Alonso behind Rosberg and Petrov, without any need, in a circuit like Abu Dhabi when it’s almost impossible to overtake and just expecting that he would be able to overtake them. Alonso only needed to overtake somebody, in the case that Webber would have overtaken him, and Webber was in the middle of a mess.
I understand your reluctance to believe that people in F1 could be cheating at those levels, but for me the facts talk clear and aloud.

So what was the point you were trying too impress upon us? Oh that's right it was that MS deliberately spun his car so too that I say "Dude put down the bong!" I believe you stated in one of your ealier post aswell that it was a fact but then you turn 180 degree's and say we are just discussing opinions?

I'm off my 'soapbox' now mod's but if he keep's throwing out such rediculous bait eventually he will get a bite . Now who said we don't have any fun here ???

[JackMaster]

The team didn't wait. Alonso was experiencing the same graining that everyone else was and he didn't make the call to pit. He was told to box and did what he was told.

And Chris Dyer did it knowing Felipe’s situation. UNBELIEVABLE
Moreover, the Michael Schumacher accident was a brazen simulation. Rosberg made as he was touching him but the replay shows clearly that the MS reaction was just before been touched. He makes a perfect spin into the middle of the track. You have to look at it to believe.

[JackMaster]

That’s a very good intentioned supposition but far less credible than that Chris Dyer made it on purpose. He couldn’t place Alonso behind Rosberg and Petrov, without any need, in a circuit like Abu Dhabi when it’s almost impossible to overtake and just expecting that he would be able to overtake them. Alonso only needed to overtake somebody, in the case that Webber would have overtaken him, and Webber was in the middle of a mess.
I understand your reluctance to believe that people in F1 could be cheating at those levels, but for me the facts talk clear and aloud.

So what was the point you were trying too impress upon us? Oh that's right it was that MS deliberately spun his car so too that I say "Dude put down the bong!" I believe you stated in one of your ealier post aswell that it was a fact but then you turn 180 degree's and say we are just discussing opinions?

I'm off my 'soapbox' now mod's but if he keep's throwing out such rediculous bait eventually he will get a bite . Now who said we don't have any fun here ???

What are you doing here again? You are not stating facts nor discussing opinions you’re just trouble making. It’s that because you’re getting nervous? Go away, please.

[vaptin]

Hamilton, Vettel Button all pitted in the same period of the race as each other if I remember correctly, Alonso could've done too.
Ferrari assumed the tyres would go off, and that Vettel Button, Hamilton would follow into the pits soon as well, so they pitted Alonso to stop Webber jumping them, as we've seen all year, the right estimation should've been to assume that the tyres actually wouldn't go off, they were just in the graining phase.

That’s a very good intentioned supposition but far less credible than that Chris Dyer made it on purpose. He couldn’t place Alonso behind Rosberg and Petrov, without any need, in a circuit like Abu Dhabi when it’s almost impossible to overtake and just expecting that he would be able to overtake them. Alonso only needed to overtake somebody, in the case that Webber would have overtaken him, and Webber was in the middle of a mess.
I understand your reluctance to believe that people in F1 could be cheating at those levels, but for me the facts talk clear and aloud.

Why is it less credible?

I say again, the simplest explanation is often the likeliest.

Although I think I'm going to not bother responding in future, we've been here before Jack.

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It's the weekend, and we should all be a little happier because of it. This thread has certainly run it's course, we need a little time out.