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[darwin dali]

i dont think we should worry about oil levels, lets be honest, its probably not going to run out for 100 years and by then none of us on here are going to be around!, so why worry? oh and modern car designers for road cars are being brainwashed by the eco heads, if i was a car designer, id totally ignore them and go for all singing all dancing petrol engine never mind this hybrid bolloux

Yeah, see, that's the same willful short-sightedness that got us into this mess. And it's not just oil levels, it's global warming too. The fact is, we should be transitioning to HFC in every place it is conceivable. It's not just cars, it's planes and the electricity generation industry too - we should be replacing as many of the coal and gas stations as possible with nuclear. But it ain't happening.

It might not affect us massively. Maybe. The reality is, it's already affecting us in some ways. And if we don't do something, it'll eventually be a problem our kids, or theirs, can't fight because the damage is done.

[What's Burning?]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

[darwin dali]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

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[F1er]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

Average power per capita (watts per person)
US-1460
EU-700
China-277
India-50

I'm more afraid of those 1.2 billion Indians!

[nish2280]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

Average power per capita (watts per person)
US-1460
EU-700
China-277
India-50

I'm more afraid of those 1.2 billion Indians!

In that case the Americans have gone past the point of no return and other countries like India and China must cut down in order to compensate even though within 100 years they will be the stronger economies.

[spankyham]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

Average power per capita (watts per person)
US-1460
EU-700
China-277
India-50

I'm more afraid of those 1.2 billion Indians!

In that case the Americans have gone past the point of no return and other countries like India and China must cut down in order to compensate even though within 100 years they will be the stronger economies.

Never fear Nish, this will all be fixed when force about $160Million (at least) to be spent on changing 24 perfectly good car engines into 24 less powerful car engines to use a third less fuel for a few days a year.

And rest assured, when the engine manufacturers spend their $40mil each they won't be using any energy whatsoever.

And, yes, there would be no greener way to spend $160Mil.

[Jensonb]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

Average power per capita (watts per person)
US-1460
EU-700
China-277
India-50

I'm more afraid of those 1.2 billion Indians!

In that case the Americans have gone past the point of no return and other countries like India and China must cut down in order to compensate even though within 100 years they will be the stronger economies.

Well then we're really screwed. China are the ones dragging their feet.

[JackMaster]

Wait till a billion of those 1.3 billion Chinese start s.ucking up electricity.

Average power per capita (watts per person)
US-1460
EU-700
China-277
India-50

I'm more afraid of those 1.2 billion Indians!

In that case the Americans have gone past the point of no return and other countries like India and China must cut down in order to compensate even though within 100 years they will be the stronger economies.

Never fear Nish, this will all be fixed when force about $160Million (at least) to be spent on changing 24 perfectly good car engines into 24 less powerful car engines to use a third less fuel for a few days a year.

And rest assured, when the engine manufacturers spend their $40mil each they won't be using any energy whatsoever.

And, yes, there would be no greener way to spend $160Mil.

Spanky, I know that you’re absolutely anti the new rules about fuel reduction, but you should take into account that the green effect will be produced when the car manufactures apply that reduction, to a third in fuel consumption, to all the vehicles that they are gonna build and sell around the world thanks to the engineering advances achieved in F1.
That is the green effect that they’re seeking with the new rules. Not only by reducing the fuel directly consumed in the F1 activities, but in a longer term, in every vehicle circulating in the entire world.

[Robert12010]

spnakyham is a petrolhead like me

[Jabberwocky]

using less fuel is the fashionable thing to do, and F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport so should be leading the way. So the lessons learnt from F1 can be transposed onto road cars. That is why we are talking about road car sized engines. KERS should also be totally unrestricted so that it can the harvesting of energy should become as efficient as possible.

I however prefer design over engineering so I would like to see big fuel burning monsters that could suck children and family pets into the airtakes. All designed about what F1 should be about which is going as fast as possible.

[Robert12010]

using less fuel is the fashionable thing to do, and F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport so should be leading the way. So the lessons learnt from F1 can be transposed onto road cars. That is why we are talking about road car sized engines. KERS should also be totally unrestricted so that it can the harvesting of energy should become as efficient as possible.

I however prefer design over engineering so I would like to see big fuel burning monsters that could suck children and family pets into the airtakes. All designed about what F1 should be about which is going as fast as possible.

so would i ! those poor children and animals

[What's Burning?]

using less fuel is the fashionable thing to do, and F1 as the pinnacle of motorsport so should be leading the way. So the lessons learnt from F1 can be transposed onto road cars. That is why we are talking about road car sized engines. KERS should also be totally unrestricted so that it can the harvesting of energy should become as efficient as possible.

I however prefer design over engineering so I would like to see big fuel burning monsters that could suck children and family pets into the airtakes. All designed about what F1 should be about which is going as fast as possible.

A few months ago we saw a Newey car that was created for a video game and that's an example of design over engineering. F1 is about designing and then engineering as much speed as possible under a given set of regulations. So you know what we wind up when things aren't specified and then next year they're banned.

This is a perfect example of natural selection and evolution, when the rules are changed, given time the engineers will extract as much possible performance as can be extracted legally from the cars that still hold to those rules.

[texasmr2]

In correlation to the turbocharging and saving fuel aspect of this topic has anyone seen/read what MB is doing with their roadcars? More fuel efficiency, twin turbo's producing more hp and torque with a smaller displacement engine and 'greener', gone is the 6.3 NA. Maybe roadcars and F1 in 2013 have more common interest than expected .

[spankyham]

Spanky, I know that you’re absolutely anti the new rules about fuel reduction,

No, go back and read what I've posted. I against:
- Mediocrity in F1
- F1 being shaped around selling family cars
- political correctness driving F1
- False or pretend greenism

I want F1 to be about:
- Superlatives in engineering
- The latest/best/fastest and "Pushing the envelope"
- A competition for and of the best motor racing on this planet

but you should take into account that the green effect will be produced when the car manufactures apply that reduction, to a third in fuel consumption, to all the vehicles

This may come as a total shock to you but the motor industry will try and produce better more efficient engines for sales in family cars no matter what F1 engine is used

Maybe roadcars and F1 in 2013 have more common interest than expected

Be careful what you wish for......

We keep down this path using the logic and reasons being applied here and F1 will be Street-Stock/Production-car racing.

F1 dies when there is no gulf between F1 and family cars.

spankyham is a petrolhead like me

Yeah Baby!

I however prefer design over engineering so I would like to see big fuel burning monsters that could suck children and family pets into the airtakes. All designed about what F1 should be about which is going as fast as possible.

Oh Yeah Baby!

[texasmr2]

It is not my 'wish' spankyham just pointing out a correlation betwixed tha 2 .