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[texasmr2]

Good read.

[ivey]

Do I get this right - Drivers can move their wing once during a lap in a specific area. They can move their rear wing also when they're practically all alone on the straight? Or can they move the wing ONLY in the act of overtaking IF the car they want to overtake is in 1 second of their range.

This sounds very cool at the moment I've always liked such innovative things, now it's up to us to pray it will work.

[What's Burning?]

Do I get this right - Drivers can move their wing once during a lap in a specific area. They can move their rear wing also when they're practically all alone on the straight? Or can they move the wing ONLY in the act of overtaking IF the car they want to overtake is in 1 second of their range.

This sounds very cool at the moment I've always liked such innovative things, now it's up to us to pray it will work.

Between the movable wing and the KERS we should be able to see a car POP past the car in front, or at least that's the idea.

[spankyham]

Personally I think there is far too much emphasis being placed on overtaking. To me, these changes simply give an advantage to a driver for being slower.

I can watch a soccer game and see 2, 3 or 4 goals and feel I've seen a really exciting match. I can watch a basketball game with 250 points scored and leave before the end because it's boring.

Everyone knows I'm a Ferrari fan, but it's probably fair to say that when you rank the drivers who will probably be fighting for the Championship this year, both Fernando and Felipe, in terms of overtaking skills, would be behind Lewis, Mark, Seb, Nico and Kubi. Which means the Ferrari pair might be the big gainers from this change. But I still don't like it.

So because overtaking is trendy we hand artificial tools to a slower guy, who is behind, to get passed the faster guy. I don't like it one bit.

Lets say Lewis gets pole in Bahrain, lets say he leads from start to the penultimate lap, with Nando following and the rest not close enough. What incentive does Nando have to even try and pass until that lap - none. So Nando follows, conserves, and makes sure that he is close on the main straight for that penultimate lap. We all know Lewis is faster, and we know the McLaren is faster on that day, but Nando presses the "magic" button, gets an massive speed advantage down the straight, Lewis is really constricted in how he can defend - "voila" Nando wins, the best, fastest guy comes second and we got a precious/fake overtake.

Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it.....

[FRAFPDD]

Personally I think there is far too much emphasis being placed on overtaking. To me, these changes simply give an advantage to a driver for being slower.

I can watch a soccer game and see 2, 3 or 4 goals and feel I've seen a really exciting match. I can watch a basketball game with 250 points scored and leave before the end because it's boring.

Everyone knows I'm a Ferrari fan, but it's probably fair to say that when you rank the drivers who will probably be fighting for the Championship this year, both Fernando and Felipe, in terms of overtaking skills, would be behind Lewis, Mark, Seb, Nico and Kubi. Which means the Ferrari pair might be the big gainers from this change. But I still don't like it.

So because overtaking is trendy we hand artificial tools to a slower guy, who is behind, to get passed the faster guy. I don't like it one bit.

Lets say Lewis gets pole in Bahrain, lets say he leads from start to the penultimate lap, with Nando following and the rest not close enough. What incentive does Nando have to even try and pass until
that lap - none. So Nando follows, conserves, and makes sure that he is close on the main straight for that penultimate lap. We all know Lewis is faster, and we know the McLaren is faster on that day, but Nando presses the "magic" button, gets an massive speed advantage down the straight, Lewis is really constricted in how he can defend - "voila" Nando wins, the best, fastest guy comes
second and we got a precious/fake overtake.

Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it.....

Did i read this right? therenis no way mark and sebastien are better then fernando at overtaking , mark shunting lewis in australia and aingapore are two good enough examples and vettel in spa and turkey needs no more words.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Personally I think there is far too much emphasis being placed on overtaking...

...So because overtaking is trendy....

You have serious problems distinguishing a race from a parade.

Nonetheless, I agree that giving the trailing driver a temporary aerodynamic advantage for the purpose of promoting overtaking is a very artificial and -- dare I say it -- ham-fisted solution that does nothing to rectify the underlying causes.

[Robert12010]

Personally I think there is far too much emphasis being placed on overtaking. To me, these changes simply give an advantage to a driver for being slower.

I can watch a soccer game and see 2, 3 or 4 goals and feel I've seen a really exciting match. I can watch a basketball game with 250 points scored and leave before the end because it's boring.

Everyone knows I'm a Ferrari fan, but it's probably fair to say that when you rank the drivers who will probably be fighting for the Championship this year, both Fernando and Felipe, in terms of overtaking skills, would be behind Lewis, Mark, Seb, Nico and Kubi. Which means the Ferrari pair might be the big gainers from this change. But I still don't like it.

So because overtaking is trendy we hand artificial tools to a slower guy, who is behind, to get passed the faster guy. I don't like it one bit.

Lets say Lewis gets pole in Bahrain, lets say he leads from start to the penultimate lap, with Nando following and the rest not close enough. What incentive does Nando have to even try and pass until that lap - none. So Nando follows, conserves, and makes sure that he is close on the main straight for that penultimate lap. We all know Lewis is faster, and we know the McLaren is faster on that day, but Nando presses the "magic" button, gets an massive speed advantage down the straight, Lewis is really constricted in how he can defend - "voila" Nando wins, the best, fastest guy comes second and we got a precious/fake overtake.

Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it.....

well lets hope it works out ok, but what spanky ham just said could be the case frequently with all drivers

[Tifoso]

I can watch a soccer game and see 2, 3 or 4 goals and feel I've seen a really exciting match. I can watch a basketball game with 250 points scored and leave before the end because it's boring.

I agree, quality over quantity any day. 6-8 really good overtaking moves in a race would be fine, especially if the the driver behind has to work for a few laps to setup his opponent.

[vaptin]

It could work out really badly, but chin up spanky.

If a driver is quicker, the person behind won't be able to get within one second of them,

also it may (and the FIA are prepared to teak it) work out so that there still is a fair bit to do, ie the movable wing doesn't mean the driver just sails past, it'll still be close. And that is the aim, the idea is to get rid of the frustration we have now with clearly faster drivers waiting until the pitstops or just following a slower driver, but still make similar paced cars difficult to overtake one another.

[spankyham]

It could work out really badly, but chin up spanky.

If a driver is quicker, the person behind won't be able to get within one second of them,

also it may (and the FIA are prepared to teak it) work out so that there still is a fair bit to do, ie the movable wing doesn't mean the driver just sails past, it'll still be close. And that is the aim, the idea is to get rid of the frustration we have now with clearly faster drivers waiting until the pitstops or just following a slower driver, but still make similar paced cars difficult to overtake one another.

Hope you're right. But I have grave fears, Firstly, on cars being fast enough to open up big gaps, well, looking at 2010, there were so many races and laps where that just wasn't the case.

Secondly, no matter how much we love our teams and drivers, the truth is the top 6-8 guys are all excellent drivers and all capable of winning.

Thirdly, think about McLarens early success with the F-Duct - before other teams mastered theirs. Now, compare a car being allowed to have an F-Duct and another one not. Next, what we will have this year will be far more efficient than the F-Duct. The F-Duct stalled the rear wing with airflow, but the rear wing itself still had it's mass intact. This year the rear wing will move - open up, which will be far better at removing drag. It will be opened by actuators instantly. In short it will be far more efficient and will give an even greater speed difference.

Lastly, if, or should I say when, the FiA starts to mess around with the time and distance for allowable use, whatever they change will disadvantage/advantage someone - there will be more howls of cheating leveled at CW and we will be back in the ridiculous realm of races being decided by the stewards and not the teams.

[Jack Master]

Personally I think there is far too much emphasis being placed on overtaking. To me, these changes simply give an advantage to a driver for being slower.

I can watch a soccer game and see 2, 3 or 4 goals and feel I've seen a really exciting match. I can watch a basketball game with 250 points scored and leave before the end because it's boring.

Everyone knows I'm a Ferrari fan, but it's probably fair to say that when you rank the drivers who will probably be fighting for the Championship this year, both Fernando and Felipe, in terms of overtaking skills, would be behind Lewis, Mark, Seb, Nico and Kubi. Which means the Ferrari pair might be the big gainers from this change. But I still don't like it.

So because overtaking is trendy we hand artificial tools to a slower guy, who is behind, to get passed the faster guy. I don't like it one bit.

Lets say Lewis gets pole in Bahrain, lets say he leads from start to the penultimate lap, with Nando following and the rest not close enough. What incentive does Nando have to even try and pass until that lap - none. So Nando follows, conserves, and makes sure that he is close on the main straight for that penultimate lap. We all know Lewis is faster, and we know the McLaren is faster on that day, but Nando presses the "magic" button, gets an massive speed advantage down the straight, Lewis is really constricted in how he can defend - "voila" Nando wins, the best, fastest guy comes second and we got a precious/fake overtake.

Be careful what you wish for cause you just might get it.....

You’re just kidding, Spanky. Aren’t you? Or have you plans to become more popular between the Lewis fans? I’m pretty sure that you’re far cleverer than what you’ve written.
About Felipe, I’ve heard that he has received an important offer to play the leading role in the Brazilian remake of Taxi Driver.

[Jensonb]

Call me crazy, but I think the racing would have an easier time being exciting if the FIA spent less time developing gimmicks and much less time making the rules about ontrack conduct stricter. Have you seen the new racecraft rules? Some of them are absurd. Only 1 move to defend position, regardless of circumstance? That's a joke! I mean, I'm willing to compromise and plump for enshrining "one move to defend in the braking area" into the rules, but they've basically banned tow-breaking tactics, presumably to justify the gimmicky rear wing and KERS Push-to-Pass crap. I like real overtaking opportunities, not this gimmicky Mario Kart rubbish.

It's also more fun for the competitors. In Karting, the most fun you can have is outbraking and muscling up the inside, or regaining a place on the switchback for the next turn. These are also the kinds of moves we love to watch even be attempted in F1. Seeing a guy zoom past effortlessly on the straight isn't exciting, whereas a REAL overtaking manoeuvre is exciting, regardless of whether or not it is successful. The FiA has got it into its collective head that "overtaking" is the essence of motorsport. It's not. Racecraft is.

[nish2280]

Well all of those maneuvers will still be seen more often as an overtake is assured, what isnt is that the driver will keep the position, and to do that they need to use their race craft for the larger part of the lap seeing as the wing adjustment can only be used on one chosen straight.

[What's Burning?]

Were any mid season test dates added or same testing rules as 2010?

[texasmr2]

Call me crazy.

Not crazy just a tad bit sassy, call me !