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[Tifoso]

Did I read this right??

Let's be serious here; Ferrari need F1 as much as F1 needs Ferrari, a split will be detrimental to both sides, it's a lose/lose situation in my opinion!

Yeah baby, come on over to the "dark red" side

When Ferrari talks McLaren are right there with them! LDM talks breakaway,Ron says Bernie is a thief! I'm 100% sure that if SF goes so does Macca right behind!
Formula1 is Ferrari and McLaren! The rest are irrelevant!

That's a sweeping statement! So the newly crowned world driver and constructor champions are irrelevant? Mercedes irrelevant? I bet Ross Brawn and Norbert Haug would have something to say about that, yes Ferrari and McLaren are the longest serving teams but there are notable other names, Williams, Renault, Mercedes and Red Bull!

The rest are pretty irrelevant really, the also rans.

SF & Macca probably have 60-75 % of total F1 fans! So yea the rest dont matter! If there was a breakaway the current f1 would die without the two,and whatever series SF&Macca start would flourish big time

Flourish with only two ingredients?

F1er was talking about the fans, with 600 million watching each race, then SF&Macca make about 400mil. That's more than enough ingredients.

[Hexagram]

This whole breakaway bs will be sorted now that Mosley isn't there. It's all to do with money. If Ferrari and McLaren decided to leave, Bernie will come running to them with tears in his eyes offering them a bigger slice of the profits and they will gladly accept.

You could see how freaked out Bernie was at Silverstone in 09 when it actually looked like the teams might leave due to Mosley's stubborn attitude to the whole thing.

Some on here are saying go for it! Let's hear you say that when you can't watch the races because the coverage of the new series is hard to find and cannot be found on free to air tv.

[texasmr2]

I tend to agree that it will not happen, hopefully!

[FRAFPDD]

all teams are equal, influence and wealth are seperate to equalness. i dont care about your history or how red your car is, you have one voice as do the other teams.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

This whole breakaway bs will be sorted now that Mosley isn't there. It's all to do with money....

In a sense. What sticks in Ferrari's craw is any rule that would limit how much they can spend on F1, because F1 is their sole source of advertising. Or, to a lesser degree, restricts them to building racing cars that do not reflect the proper qualities of their street cars.

[F1er]

"A True F1 Fan" anyway

If all teams are the same in F1,do the following...........imagine F1 without HRT,Virgin Now Imagine without Ferrari,McLaren

If the second scenario leaves you in shock..............................

[FRAFPDD]

:hehe: "A True F1 Fan" anyway

If all teams are the same in F1,do the following...........imagine F1 without HRT,Virgin Now Imagine without Ferrari,McLaren

If the second scenario leaves you in shock..............................

if ferrari and mclaren leave then teams like renault n mercedes then become the top teams, all the first two are are household names, they are just teams after all, seriouslly dont tell me that doesnt make sense.

Yes a true F1 fan, i wouldnt expect you to know what that is
going purely on what ive seen of your opinions.

[vaptin]

all teams are equal, influence and wealth are seperate to equalness. i dont care about your history or how red your car is, you have one voice as do the other teams.

Ideally, if f1 was designed as a liberal democracy,

But for practicality's sake that just doesn't exist, a threat from Ferrari to leave is worth more than from HRT and seeing as f1s a competition Ferrari are prepared to make use of it, at anyrate f1 is probably being run more in the commercial interest than the teams interest, I think thats the issue rather than one team being favoured or more important than another.

I agree however, that the FIA should act as a neutral arbitrator between competing groups (f1 teams), and their influence should be limited as much as possible and the teams left free, what do you know I just advocated libertarianism.

Though long term planning is best left to the FIA, but should it be intentionally designed to be neutral to all teams? Now, thats a question,

[Hexagram]

all teams are equal, influence and wealth are seperate to equalness. i dont care about your history or how red your car is, you have one voice as do the other teams.

Ideally, if f1 was designed as a liberal democracy,

But for practicality's sake that just doesn't exist, a threat from Ferrari to leave is worth more than from HRT and seeing as f1s a competition Ferrari are prepared to make use of it, at anyrate f1 is probably being run more in the commercial interest than the teams interest, I think thats the issue rather than one team being favoured or more important than another.

I agree however, that the FIA should act as a neutral arbitrator between competing groups (f1 teams), and their influence should be limited as much as possible and the teams left free, what do you know I just advocated libertarianism.

Though long term planning is best left to the FIA, but should it be intentionally designed to be neutral to all teams? Now, thats a question,

All through the years teams come and go. In 10 years time most teams will have gone, expect Ferrari and McLaren and maybe Williams who are just about holding on these days.

So ya, Ferrari & McLaren have earned their extra say in matters because through the best and worst of times they have always been there.

Just look at the teams in 2000.

Ferrari
McLaren
Williams
Benetton
BAR
Jordan
Arrows
Sauber
Jaguar
Minardi
Prost

So from that, we have just 4 that are still here and Sauber were practically MIA 06 - 09.

[FRAFPDD]

all teams are equal, influence and wealth are seperate to equalness. i dont care about your history or how red your car is, you have one voice as do the other teams.

Ideally, if f1 was designed as a liberal democracy,

But for practicality's sake that just doesn't exist, a threat from Ferrari to leave is worth more than from HRT and seeing as f1s a competition Ferrari are prepared to make use of it, at anyrate f1 is probably being run more in the commercial interest than the teams interest, I think thats the issue rather than one team being favoured or more important than another.

I agree however, that the FIA should act as a neutral arbitrator between competing groups (f1 teams), and their influence should be limited as much as possible and the teams left free, what do you know I just advocated libertarianism.

Though long term planning is best left to the FIA, but should it be intentionally designed to be neutral to all teams? Now, thats a question,

All through the years teams come and go. In 10 years time most teams will have gone, expect Ferrari and McLaren and maybe Williams who are just about holding on these days

So ya, Ferrari & McLaren have earned their extra say in matters because through the best and worst of times they have always been there.

Just look at the teams in 2000.

Ferrari
McLaren
Williams
Benetton
BAR
Jordan
Arrows
Sauber
Jaguar
Minardi
Prost

So from that, we have just 4 that are still here and Sauber were practically MIA 06 - 09.

Ferrari and Mclaren are nearly only tje most successful becaise of their experience, they shouldnt have forever lasting dibs on everything because they happen to be in f1 longest.

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Columbus didn't discover America but he gets credit because he was the first European to successfully market it. But even if it hadn't been him, there eventually would have been someone else.

Same with Bernie. He happened to be the guy who got all the teams to consent to let him speak for all their marketing interests en masse. But even if it hadn't been him, there eventually would have been someone else. And F1 eventually will have to do without him (again) because he eventually will join the choir eternal (Insha'Allah).

No other trademark associated with F1 is as universally recognised as the prancing stallion. Not even that of F1 itself. And only Scuderia Ferrari have been with the sport since the first green flag. Beyond that, they campaigned in Grand Prix Motor Racing since three years earlier, the season that the racing car specification known as Formula 1 was created.

McLaren? Ferrari have been racing Grands Prix since when Bruce was but a boy of 10.

Mercedes? They lost the fire in the belly after the 1955 LeMans crash and abandoned the sport of Grand Prix racing/F1 for four decades.

No one else even comes close.

In fact, there is no one in the sport today -- not even His Bernieness -- who is as responsible for F1's success andsurvival as is Ferrari. If you do not think that currys them any special favours, you quite simply are mistaken.

If Ferrari were to prepare for themselves a reasonable landing spot (in terms of venues, sponsors and media coverage), their seceding from F1 would provoke a mass exodus. McLaren, Mercedes, Williams, Rinnow, RBR, et Al, all know the lustre of any victory will be tarnished if Ferrari do not number among the vanquished. You only need witness the prevalence of Scuderia Ferrari regalia among the great unwashed masses in the grandstands at any F1 race to grasp the truth of that.

And if the FIA continue abandoning European venues in favour of Asian ones, I see a very real possibility of that happening.

[racechick]

:hehe: "A True F1 Fan" anyway

If all teams are the same in F1,do the following...........imagine F1 without HRT,Virgin Now Imagine without Ferrari,McLaren

If the second scenario leaves you in shock..............................

if ferrari and mclaren leave then teams like renault n mercedes then become the top teams, all the first two are are household names, they are just teams after all, seriouslly dont tell me that doesnt make sense.

Yes a true F1 fan, i wouldnt expect you to know what that is
going purely on what ive seen of your opinions.

If ferrari and McLaren leave, and do it properly, then most fans will go with them. But they have to do it properly.

[Robert12010]

:hehe: "A True F1 Fan" anyway

If all teams are the same in F1,do the following...........imagine F1 without HRT,Virgin Now Imagine without Ferrari,McLaren

If the second scenario leaves you in shock..............................

if ferrari and mclaren leave then teams like renault n mercedes then become the top teams, all the first two are are household names, they are just teams after all, seriouslly dont tell me that doesnt make sense.

Yes a true F1 fan, i wouldnt expect you to know what that is
going purely on what ive seen of your opinions.

If ferrari and McLaren leave, and do it properly, then most fans will go with them. But they have to do it properly.

but where would they go? just one burning question there and with the teams that were around in 2000, if you think about it jordan is now force india, BAR is now mercdes, bennetton is now renault and sauber are still in there plus williams too

[vaptin]

:hehe: "A True F1 Fan" anyway

If all teams are the same in F1,do the following...........imagine F1 without HRT,Virgin Now Imagine without Ferrari,McLaren

If the second scenario leaves you in shock..............................

if ferrari and mclaren leave then teams like renault n mercedes then become the top teams, all the first two are are household names, they are just teams after all, seriouslly dont tell me that doesnt make sense.

Yes a true F1 fan, i wouldnt expect you to know what that is
going purely on what ive seen of your opinions.

If ferrari and McLaren leave, and do it properly, then most fans will go with them. But they have to do it properly.

but where would they go? just one burning question there and with the teams that were around in 2000, if you think about it jordan is now force india, BAR is now mercdes, bennetton is now renault and sauber are still in there plus williams too

I mentioned that in some other thread, if some rival set up a series undercutting Bernie, though of course Bernie would simply readdress the balance and the teams would stay with him causing his rival to loose loads, the only way is if the teams themselves set up a serious alternative.

Then it comes down to if Bernie calls their "bluff"

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Ferrari should get a say if they use their experience and desire to be in f1 to produce good ideas, not simply because they are Ferrari,

[F1er]

In fact, there is no one in the sport today -- not even His Bernieness -- who is as responsible for F1's success andsurvival as is Ferrari. If you do not think that currys them any special favours, you quite simply are mistaken.

If Ferrari were to prepare for themselves a reasonable landing spot (in terms of venues, sponsors and media coverage), their seceding from F1 would provoke a mass exodus. McLaren, Mercedes, Williams, Rinnow, RBR, et Al, all know the lustre of any victory will be tarnished if Ferrari do not number among the vanquished. You only need witness the prevalence of Scuderia Ferrari regalia among the great unwashed masses in the grandstands at any F1 race to grasp the truth of that.

And if the FIA continue abandoning European venues in favor of Asian ones, I see a very real possibility of that happening.

Exactly! Thats why McLaren would follow Ferrari coz if they aren't competing against e/o any win/title would be without merit!
And for these races in 3d world countries IT DOESNT WORK!!!!!!!!!!
I dont know the exact number but I'd think 70% of fans reside in Europe,25% in the americas and the rest elsewhere! So why would the 2 TOP TEAMS(with 70-80% of fans) want to race in empty stands???
It doesnt do F1 any good taking races away from the fanbase core,also it makes it difficult for TV viewing!