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[spankyham]

I thought KERS was totally seperate from the engines limit on hp and was only about a 50hp boost too be used sparingly?

Power available from KERS has been doubled for 2013 to about 120.

Having said that, car battery power is about as green as a 60's toxic waste dump.

What a great idea, lets replace a relatively plentiful commodity, located all around the globe, with an inefficient battery storage system based on an incredibly rare commodity that is in the hands of one government/country - PR China, and is mined by slave labour in 18th century work conditions.

[spankyham]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

[darwin dali]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

There's some truth to what you're saying here

[CarBore]

I'm curious how they plan to limit the power to 550-600. Are there some rules that we don't know about specific to the turbos? The old 80s turbos were smaller and could make more power and engine and turbo charger technology has come a long way. What's to stop a engine builder from making an 800hp+ engine with the KERS on top of that.

On a side note I think that would be great to see more power to try and offset the % of performance coming from aero.

[Robert12010]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

agreed but i wonder if the gp2 engine regulations will be changed

[darwin dali]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

agreed but i wonder if the gp2 engine regulations will be changed

Yes, they will be 3 cylinder 2-stroke engines.

[What's Burning?]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

agreed but i wonder if the gp2 engine regulations will be changed

Yes, they will be 3 cylinder 2-stroke engines.

So GP3 is basically a single cylinder Weedwacker engine with slicks and a wing?

[Gaz]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

agreed but i wonder if the gp2 engine regulations will be changed

Yes, they will be 3 cylinder 2-stroke engines.

[Robert12010]

I had asked before, but it seems this article from the BBC has answered my question. Will the new engines 750Hp be derived from the engine then the KERS added, or is the 750 a combination of the engine with the KERS running?

The BBC has reported as follows:-
"About 600bhp of the 750bhp produced by the engines will come from the four-cylinder single-turbo engine itself, with the rest being provided by energy storage and power-boost systems."

If the BBC has told the truth, this engine change takes us forward 2+ years and we are going backward in performance to below current GP2's, while as Ferrari and Mercedes pointed out, it will cost teams F1 teams tens of millions of dollars.

And this is all being done so one manufacturer can enter? Honestly, if VW/Porsche can't produce a competitive engine (as Cosworth did last year) of the current spec then why would we even want them in F1? Leave them happily racing TC's and sports cars.

OK, that's my gripe for the day, but I just can't bear the thought in 2013 of watching F1 cars for about 10 seconds and then watching GP2 cars the the rest of the lap.

agreed but i wonder if the gp2 engine regulations will be changed

Yes, they will be 3 cylinder 2-stroke engines.

[bud]

what a small wankel.

[texasmr2]

what a small wankel.

[Robert12010]

what a small wankel.

lol

[darwin dali]

R u saying size matters???

[Robert12010]

R u saying size matters???

yes i believe so

[MattMK45]

It's not as though FOM is allowing the teams and companies to work outside the box these days in terms of making engines. I mean we have pathetic V8s at the moment and we are soon to move to engines that produce half as much power as the older turbo engines we had in the 80s it's crazy!