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[texasmr2]

My vague attempt at humor only meant that Bob Barker could guard Hammer278's hindquarters while looking for spare change under the cushions of his couch to buy Jack Master a sense of humor .

Man this is a tough crowd !

Only playing around Jack Master .

[racechick]

Right, so Lewis and Jens.......seems their testing's going well

[smokin]

Imagine, for example a forest with a species of bird that eat insects living in the threes. There are a lot of insects and the colony of birds grows fast because there is plenty of food for all of them. But as the birds become more and more numerous it arrives the year when, at the middle of the season, they have eaten all the insects that were at the threes except those that are hidden in the holes of the threes. There are some birds that have a little longer beak than the others. They can reach the insects inside the holes. All the others die. They survive and transmit his characteristic longer beak to their descendants.
It was a coincidence that they had a longer beak, but it was that what saved them, condemning the others to disappear.
There are a lot of examples to say and the thing is always fortuitous. Is the nature who choose who survives and who don’t, not the individuals efforts to adapt themselves to better fit with the environment.

It's usually expressed in terms of foxes and rabbits.

Sorry, racechick; yes, I believe that the testing is going well. Foxes are eating well, too, this year.

[The Ram]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

[racechick]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

[Robert12010]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

but remember when coulthard was winning at melbourne in 98 and then was ordered to let mika haikknen through

[racechick]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

but remember when coulthard was winning at melbourne in 98 and then was ordered to let mika haikknen through

I do remember. Didnt Mika go into the pits by some strange radio call when he shouldnt have? Ron claiming someone tapped into the team radio. Also Mika and david made their own gentlemans agreement that whoever got into the first corner would go on to win the race if they could. So it was David's decision to honour his pre race agreement with Mika not a team order.

[Robert12010]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

but remember when coulthard was winning at melbourne in 98 and then was ordered to let mika haikknen through

I do remember. Didnt Mika go into the pits by some strange radio call when he shouldnt have? Ron claiming someone tapped into the team radio. Also Mika and david made their own gentlemans agreement that whoever got into the first corner would go on to win the race if they could. So it was David's decision to honour his pre race agreement with Mika not a team order.

ah fair enough!, of course my point of view was taken out of dc's autobiography as i was only 6 at the time lol

[vaptin]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

Mclaren would use team orders if they felt they had to.

[billindenver]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

but remember when coulthard was winning at melbourne in 98 and then was ordered to let mika haikknen through

I do remember. Didnt Mika go into the pits by some strange radio call when he shouldnt have? Ron claiming someone tapped into the team radio. Also Mika and david made their own gentlemans agreement that whoever got into the first corner would go on to win the race if they could. So it was David's decision to honour his pre race agreement with Mika not a team order.

Even a blatant team order can be justified away in your mind can't it? There have been multiple instances of McLaren using team orders, including one with nearly identical radio messages as Ferrari's this year. You seriously are going to keep claiming that they never have and never will? If it was a gent's agreement prior to the race...why would the team make the order at all?

What will you do when they use team orders and admit as much this coming season? Will you admit you're errors in judgment then, or claim that the team only admitted it because of peer pressure or some such nonsense? More than likely, you will find a way to blame another team for forcing McLaren to stoop to their level.

[texasmr2]

Shame you had to remove your PM or email option bill, pm me your email ok?

tex

[racechick]

I think the lifted ban on team orders can be added to that list of things for Button to get to grips with. Can you say "Save fuel?" I love 2011 already!

Jens and lewis dont like or want team orders. Be stupid if Mclaren start employing them. Better to have a real champion who can win without them.

but remember when coulthard was winning at melbourne in 98 and then was ordered to let mika haikknen through

I do remember. Didnt Mika go into the pits by some strange radio call when he shouldnt have? Ron claiming someone tapped into the team radio. Also Mika and david made their own gentlemans agreement that whoever got into the first corner would go on to win the race if they could. So it was David's decision to honour his pre race agreement with Mika not a team order.

Even a blatant team order can be justified away in your mind can't it? There have been multiple instances of McLaren using team orders, including one with nearly identical radio messages as Ferrari's this year. You seriously are going to keep claiming that they never have and never will? If it was a gent's agreement prior to the race...why would the team make the order at all?

What will you do when they use team orders and admit as much this coming season? Will you admit you're errors in judgment then, or claim that the team only admitted it because of peer pressure or some such nonsense? More than likely, you will find a way to blame another team for forcing McLaren to stoop to their level.

The Coulthard /Hakinen incident has been documented many times, i didnt make it up.

The Alonso place swap was nothing like the mcLaren incident as has been pointed out to you many times.

Finally ive always said im fine with team orders, so long as they dont disadvantage one driver, in other words they're ok when one driver is out at the climax of a season.

[billindenver]

The Alonso place swap was nothing like the mcLaren incident as has been pointed out to you many times.

Finally ive always said im fine with team orders, so long as they dont disadvantage one driver, in other words they're ok when one driver is out at the climax of a season.

You have said it many time, and yet somehow I still disagree with you. McLaren's radio calls to Heikki were identical to Ferrari's calls to Massa. McLaren said afterwards that they were only advising their drivers as to who was faster. You are completely cool with that, but when Ferrari did the same, it's holy war. McLaren spent no time at all telling Heikki that Lewis was behind him, he needed to pick up the pace etc....like Ferrari did. Lewis caught him, they moved him over. Far quicker than Ferrari moved Massa. The tactics difference you are referring to is ridiculous. Massa and Fernando didn't pit on the same lap either. You are hanging your hat on a nuance....while ignoring the facts. Both teams have moved their number two driver out of the way for their number one. Many other teams have done the same. Hamilton/Heikki, Mika/Coultard, Alonso/Massa...if you are against team orders because they change the race result...I can respect that, but you have to be against all of them not all but your own team's.

Shame you had to remove your PM or email option bill, pm me your email ok?

Tex, I asked DD if there was a way to turn off bud's cry for attention (sending me 30+ pm's per hour with nothing in them but a few periods) but was told the only way to deal with his loneliness is to turn off all pm's and email so that's what I had to do. The board mechanics don't allow individual blocking of PM's.

[texasmr2]

The board mechanics don't allow individual blocking of PM's.

Yes that is true so I guess we will have to communicate via email then, my email contact is still open so send me your's .

[racechick]

The Alonso place swap was nothing like the mcLaren incident as has been pointed out to you many times.

Finally ive always said im fine with team orders, so long as they dont disadvantage one driver, in other words they're ok when one driver is out at the climax of a season.

You have said it many time, and yet somehow I still disagree with you. McLaren's radio calls to Heikki were identical to Ferrari's calls to Massa. McLaren said afterwards that they were only advising their drivers as to who was faster. You are completely cool with that, but when Ferrari did the same, it's holy war. McLaren spent no time at all telling Heikki that Lewis was behind him, he needed to pick up the pace etc....like Ferrari did. Lewis caught him, they moved him over. Far quicker than Ferrari moved Massa. The tactics difference you are referring to is ridiculous. Massa and Fernando didn't pit on the same lap either. You are hanging your hat on a nuance....while ignoring the facts. Both teams have moved their number two driver out of the way for their number one. Many other teams have done the same. Hamilton/Heikki, Mika/Coultard, Alonso/Massa...if you are against team orders because they change the race result...I can respect that, but you have to be against all of them not all but your own team's.

Well I think the hekki one was different because one driver had just come out of the pits heavy with fuel, they were on different race strategies. Thats not manipulating the result. Heki couldnt overtake any of the cars in front of him, it didnt stop him doing anything.