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[vaptin]

Making it relevant to automotive companies is important, it provides a better platform for sponsorship for the teams. I don't see anything wrong with f1 becoming more efficient.

I've got no problem with things from F1 making there way into cars for the general public. I just don't think F1 should be defined by what's trendy in the general automotive industry.

Greater efficiency in using finite resources is getting pretty big in loads of places, not just the automotive industry.

F1 teams are commercial companies who race vehicles for a living, its going to be pretty closely linked to the automotive industry, I don't see why f1 can't aim for being at the peak of the automotive industry. "Defined by it"? No it shouldn't be, I agree with you, but new engines doesn't make f1 defined by the automotive industry, but does show the automotive industry having an influence on f1, I don't disagree with that.

[What's Burning?]

Making it relevant to automotive companies is important, it provides a better platform for sponsorship for the teams. I don't see anything wrong with f1 becoming more efficient.

I've got no problem with things from F1 making there way into cars for the general public. I just don't think F1 should be defined by what's trendy in the general automotive industry.

Greater efficiency in using finite resources is getting pretty big in loads of places, not just the automotive industry.

F1 teams are commercial companies who race vehicles for a living, its going to be pretty closely linked to the automotive industry, I don't see why f1 can't aim for being at the peak of the automotive industry. "Defined by it"? No it shouldn't be, I agree with you, but new engines doesn't make f1 defined by the automotive industry, but does show the automotive industry having an influence on f1, I don't disagree with that.

This is a statemeent from the newly formed Renault Sport F1:

The new division will [also] put forward Renault’s technological response to the challenge raised by the new F1 regulations on engines. It will be a laboratory for developing technologies that better respect the environment, applicable to combustion and electric powertrains as well as to production models,’ said the manufacturer.

We're not talking about automotive trends here, we're talking about how cars are defined in the future, and the internal combustion engine as a stand alone power component has less years ahead of it than it does behind it.

[texasmr2]

Yet the internal combustion engine is relied upon by the conglomerates that run our global economy ie the oil companies. As long as they are still 'in control' I doubt any of use will live to see the day when an internal combustion engine does not run in F1 if it still exist.

Garrett electrolytic carburetor
Charles H. Garrett allegedly demonstrated a water-fuelled car "for several minutes", which was reported on September 8, 1935 in The Dallas Morning News. The car generated hydrogen by electrolysis as can be seen by examining Garrett's patent, issued that same year. This patent includes drawings which show a carburetor similar to an ordinary float-type carburetor but with electrolysis plates in the lower portion, and where the float is used to maintain the level of the water. Garrett's patent fails to identify a new source of energy.

[silverco]

Turbo 4's at 10k...... will they also need to have a "fully Sik" sound system?

And maybe some LED strip lights under the car.

Formula 1 mean one formula for everyone...... so give them the formula and back off!!!!


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[What's Burning?]

Turbo 4's at 10k...... will they also need to have a "fully Sik" sound system?

And maybe some LED strip lights under the car.

Formula 1 mean one formula for everyone...... so give them the formula and back off!!!!


W

12" subwoofers.

[hounddub]

Surely these rule changes are good for the sport......I think a return to Turbo 4's is the best news in over a decade.

My first thoughts are that this is going to have a big levelling effect on the engine's, and it's likely that other manufacturers will want to enter as engine suppliers.....VW group for sure will be into this as turbo Porsche's have been their hallmark for eons.

Secondly, I really hope that as a part of this they dabble in allowing qualifying boost setups so we see some mixed grids. It would be a great opportunity for lower teams to "wind up the boost" in qualifying to get a better grid spot, then having to wind them back down for race endurance.

Lastly....I really hope they reintroduced race re-fuelling so as the development of these motors is not hamstrung by fuel-efficiency demands.

Hmmmm......will Honda return as an engine supplier now......and re-unite with McLaren after their Mercedes deal expires?

[Robert12010]

Surely these rule changes are good for the sport......I think a return to Turbo 4's is the best news in over a decade.

My first thoughts are that this is going to have a big levelling effect on the engine's, and it's likely that other manufacturers will want to enter as engine suppliers.....VW group for sure will be into this as turbo Porsche's have been their hallmark for eons.

Secondly, I really hope that as a part of this they dabble in allowing qualifying boost setups so we see some mixed grids. It would be a great opportunity for lower teams to "wind up the boost" in qualifying to get a better grid spot, then having to wind them back down for race endurance.

Lastly....I really hope they reintroduced race re-fuelling so as the development of these motors is not hamstrung by fuel-efficiency demands.

Hmmmm......will Honda return as an engine supplier now......and re-unite with McLaren after their Mercedes deal expires?

well hopefully the deal with mercedes will continue to last for many years, but if honda were to comeback, possible chance of reuniting the great parternership

[scotty]

I've been reading that VW were heavily 'considered' in these rule changes, word is that they said they definitely wouldn't join unless the engine regs changed. Read into that what you will...

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

Formula changes always most encumber the teams with the shallowest pockets. The change to blown fourbangers will increase the disparity between the marquee teams and the backmarkers.

I think boost will be driver adjustable, or at least will be linked to fuel mapping through the ECU, because leaning the mixture to reduce fuel consumption while maintaining full boost is a recipe for disaster. But the boost limit likely will be the same both for the qualies and the race.

If VW were to enter F1, they know they could count on precious little assistance from Porsche. Porsche learned from the 914 and the 924 that the VW brand can profit from the prestige of the Porsche brand but the reverse is not true (which is why Porsche went outside the family to Valmet of Finland for assembly of the Boxster and Cayman). If VW were to enter F1 and were to receive overt support from Porsche, it would poison the water for any future Porsche plans to follow behind. It might not fit their current business model but it would be unlike Porsche -- who, after all, are the majority shareholders in VW -- to artificially fence themselves in. There's little point in VW entering F1 unless they demonstrate they're now dining at the grownup's table and need no propping up from Porsche.

Honda didn't leave F1 because of the state of F1, they left F1 because of the state of Honda corporate. Honda stock began a downward trend in 2007 and bottomed out in 2009. It's presently below 3200 on the Nikkei and I wouldn't look for them to consider a return to F1 until after a couple of quarters over 4000 and with an upward trending.

[scotty]

For what it's worth the same article i read stated that if VW entered, it'd be under the Audi marque... if i can re-find said article i will post, but at the same time it doesn't change the fact that whatever they said is still just rumours and hearsay.

[F1er]

5 engines per year goin to 4 per? I dont like this !

[spankyham]

I'm worried for F1's future. I just see no sense at all in this decision. There is one upside on the table - more/wider coverage of potential sponsors. The downsides are huge:-
Making F1 "pro-green" is going to put is in the spotlight as to how green we are - massive changes everywhere
It seems logical to me that noise reduction will be next
I hope we don't end up with green demonstrators turning up to all things F1 an pressuring F1 into becoming driven by a pro-green agenda
Spending tens of millions of dollars to stay in the same place - we will have a 750Hp engine - exactly what we have now
The powerplant is an engine that is moving away from engineering supremacy and closer to street cars we can make (honestly 12K RPM - woop-di-doo)
Does the 750 Hp include the KERS - lol if it does cause then we will have 750HP for what, 6 seconds or 12 seconds and for the rest of the lap we will basically watch cars with old GP2 performance

[scotty]

Does the 750 Hp include the KERS - lol if it does cause then we will have 750HP for what, 6 seconds or 12 seconds and for the rest of the lap we will basically watch cars with old GP2 performance

Yes, yes it does. 600hp otherwise...

[texasmr2]

I thought KERS was totally seperate from the engines limit on hp and was only about a 50hp boost too be used sparingly?

[spankyham]

Does the 750 Hp include the KERS - lol if it does cause then we will have 750HP for what, 6 seconds or 12 seconds and for the rest of the lap we will basically watch cars with old GP2 performance

Yes, yes it does. 600hp otherwise...

It just keeps getting worse.