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_55_ wrote:sadly thats the way that road cars are going too, i want to see big juicy thirsty powerful engines in f1, singing their heads off at 19,000 or so rpm ! im a cold blooded petrolhead and before long the world of cars will dominated by some stupid useless battery s£*! instead!spankyham wrote:F1 is about "Higher Engineering" demonstrated for automotive. Technology spawned in F1 is flourished in production vehicle. "Green", if you haven't been paying attention, is first and foremost on the political and automotive stage. Now you know._55_ wrote:Got your point, and I understand you've provided your concept to keep the engine "sound" in a new leaner engine coupling that with shorter entertainment/races.spankyham wrote:_55_ wrote:Welcome!F1er wrote:I want back this!!!!!!!!!!!!Nice vid. that's the point I made with a V6. the reduced displacement would allow for higher revs. for example, a race which lasts 90 minutes from today's max 120 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBxw4whvBiA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2.4L @ 18,000 rpm / 2 x 120 mins. = 2,592,000 displacement / 10,000 factor +/- = 259L (240L, I was close)
1.8L @ 20,000 rpm / 2 x 90 mins. = 1,539,000 displacement / 10,000 factor +/- = 154L
= less fuel
Sorry but I can't agree with any of this. By extension if we make the race 3 minutes and .1 litre engines we'd use way less fuel. But, here's the point. They don't give points in F1 races for how much fuel you use.
It's just my perspective, but, for those that want to watch races based on time, or prescription cars, or anything that isn't the leading edge/pinnacle of open-wheel racing performance, then please go watch some other form of racing. This is F1, and that's what F1 is. It is not a fuel saving green performance event. If that's your thing then watch the solar cars race from Darwin to Adelaide.
As to being green? Do some calculation on how much energy we waste transporting the F1 circus around the globe from race to race each year.
you've obviously missed the point completely. here.... READ, and keep in mind the general consensus that most people wish the engines sounded the way they did with a V10 at 19,000+ rpm (Honda almost 20,000)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 255871.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Perhaps you missed my point. A justification for the change (therefore why we are even discussing this) is to broaden F1's appeal to potential sponsors by being "greener". I'm putting forward the view that F1 shouldn't be, and isn't about, being green. If F1 was trying to be "green" then what's the point in saving a minuscule amount when F1 so flagrantly wastes energy in other areas.
_55_ wrote:_55_ wrote:lol!!! hey look at that. I WAS right (I'm not surprised)! 241,140L is a 747 fuel tank capacityWhat's Burning? wrote:I heard a statistic this year that said that all of the cars on the grid, in all of the races for the entire season, use less fuel than one 747 transport plane getting cargo to one of the Asian circuits from Europe.
_55_ wrote:damn thing won't let me post the link!Okay i'm not sure what was going on there, but it sent the board a bit weird so i've had to delete your posts to fix it. Try posting the link again now.
scotty wrote:As soon as an engineer gets his hands on the board, it goes haywire - typical!_55_ wrote:_55_ wrote:lol!!! hey look at that. I WAS right (I'm not surprised)! 241,140L is a 747 fuel tank capacityWhat's Burning? wrote:I heard a statistic this year that said that all of the cars on the grid, in all of the races for the entire season, use less fuel than one 747 transport plane getting cargo to one of the Asian circuits from Europe._55_ wrote:damn thing won't let me post the link!Okay i'm not sure what was going on there, but it sent the board a bit weird so i've had to delete your posts to fix it. Try posting the link again now.
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. 
scotty wrote:And a different engineer then has to come in and fix the problem.Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Le coeur a ses raisons que la raison ne connaît point. _55_ wrote:F1 is about "Higher Engineering" demonstrated for automotive.
_55_ wrote:Technology spawned in F1 is flourished in production vehicle.Sometimes, yes, but plenty of F1 technology hasn't made it's way into production cars. However, many of those things that we don't see in productions cars are still exciting, brilliant and quintessential to F1.
_55_ wrote:"Green", if you haven't been paying attention, is first and foremost on the political and automotive stage.So is equality between the sexes, but I wouldn't find any pressure to force teams to have one team car driven by a woman acceptable in F1 either. When it comes to F1, personally, I don't care what's on the political stage or what's popular in selling cars. (RC, before you jumped down my throat, I will add that I'd be wrapped to see women driving as long as they got there through their driving skills). If you want politics, turn on the news, if you want to know what's trendy in the automotive industry get a showroom brochure.
_55_ wrote:Now you know.Indeed, now I know your opinion. And now you know mine.
spankyham wrote:_55_ wrote:F1 is about "Higher Engineering" demonstrated for automotive.
That's an interesting opinion, although I don't share your view. I tend to think F1 isn't single dimensional. For me it is about many things including the teams, drivers, strategies, tracks, weather, pressure, mind-games, and the cars - which, yes, includes their engineering._55_ wrote:Technology spawned in F1 is flourished in production vehicle.Sometimes, yes, but plenty of F1 technology hasn't made it's way into production cars. However, many of those things that we don't see in productions cars are still exciting, brilliant and quintessential to F1._55_ wrote:"Green", if you haven't been paying attention, is first and foremost on the political and automotive stage.So is equality between the sexes, but I wouldn't find any pressure to force teams to have one team car driven by a woman acceptable in F1 either. When it comes to F1, personally, I don't care what's on the political stage or what's popular in selling cars. (RC, before you jumped down my throat, I will add that I'd be wrapped to see women driving as long as they got there through their driving skills). If you want politics, turn on the news, if you want to know what's trendy in the automotive industry get a showroom brochure._55_ wrote:Now you know.Indeed, now I know your opinion. And now you know mine.
on the first bold line, that i think that women should be accept to f1, but only if they can drive goodvaptin wrote:Making it relevant to automotive companies is important, it provides a better platform for sponsorship for the teams. I don't see anything wrong with f1 becoming more efficient.I've got no problem with things from F1 making there way into cars for the general public. I just don't think F1 should be defined by what's trendy in the general automotive industry.
spankyham wrote:vaptin wrote:Making it relevant to automotive companies is important, it provides a better platform for sponsorship for the teams. I don't see anything wrong with f1 becoming more efficient.I've got no problem with things from F1 making there way into cars for the general public. I just don't think F1 should be defined by what's trendy in the general automotive industry.
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