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[mafiyo]

Ban Bahrain, Spain, Turkey, Hungary, Singapore, Abu Dhabi and restore Hockenheim.

There, more overtaking. You're welcome.

Remember in Malaysia 2002 Schumi had contact on 1st lap 1st corner and forced to pit for new nose and from dead behind he overtake 1by 1 car until finally he step on the final podium. This kind of situation what we are far to expect now after the entry of the circuit listed above..


And I’m glad that my country circuit is not in that list..

[Jabberwocky]

I think this is what we want from F1

Lotus 23 -BMW M12

[Robert12010]

bring back the big v10's that we had, employ a proper track designer i.e NOT hermann tilke!, bernie take note,
plus lets make the tracks so that they allow overtaking oppurtunities! and make the cars more simple so that when one is trying overtake another
you dont drive into a wall of ''dirty air'' as its known...

[nish2280]

Pinnacle of motor sport cant have technology that is more common on younger series. No manufacturer would want to compete in a series where they arnt showing off their engineering genius.

Smaller engine + Small reduction in power = A feature we can find in our road car in a couple of years time.
Massive Engine + Massive Power = Fun, but not sure if it will fit in my Renault Megane.

[vindicator86]

Manual gears and ground effects.

[Jack Master]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

[smokin]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

Ban aggressive manoeuvres in case there's a crash? Don't talk rubbish. Aggressive manoeuvres are what overtaking is about, Without aggression you would have no overtaking and would then have faster cars unable to overtake slower cars and following them round for 40 laps.

[texasmr2]

So many of us complain that there is not enough overtaking in Formula 1 and i think we all have our own ideas on what should be done to allow more overtaking.
This thread will allow us to collate all these ideas and discuss them all in one place.

I would like to start by suggesting that the size or efficiency of brakes should be reduced to allow greater breaking distances to exists as these would allow drivers more time to pull of an overtake.

Enjoy

If I'm not mistaken I believe the idea of having smaller brake disc that would allow such has been mentioned previously but I agree with you. The braking is so stupendous that it does not allow for alot of passing but what we have is a ying/yang situation. I would agree that F1 can surely find a sollution instead of giving us no passing tracks that compromise the sport in general. Some good info/opinions can be found here aswell,
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7238&hilit=smaller+brake+disc

[texasmr2]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

Jack you have never raced before, thats apparent, so honestly your opinion is crap, go to your local karting track and drive and get some idea of what it is like to be 'aggressive' instead of being just a 'know nothing' with internet access.

Don't mean to sound or be harsh but honestly that is crap and you know it.

[Jack Master]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

Jack you have never raced before, thats apparent, so honestly your opinion is crap, go to your local karting track and drive and get some idea of what it is like to be 'aggressive' instead of being just a 'know nothing' with internet access.

Don't mean to sound or be harsh but honestly that is crap and you know it.

I think I’ve said DEFENDING aggressive maneuvers. If you can move your car towards anyone who tries to overtake you, for example Schumacher/Rubens style, it makes almost impossible to overtake.
If you defend your position Alonso/Schumacher style at Imola or Petrov/Alonso style at Abu Dhabi it would be fine.
The car that wants to overtake should be aggressive but fair and the defender as well.
The most important thing is to clarify the criteria and apply it equally to every driver. If you don’t do that any driver can avoid being overtaken just sending the other outside the track. We need unified and fair criteria for that. After having that you can implement the rest of the measures that you consider convenient.
For example what Webber did to Kovalainen this year. You must be aggressive but you can’t crash directly with the car you have in front of you. He wasn’t punished. In other cases the same action is punished. We need to clarify these things before anything else.
Off course I have never raced. But I don’t find it necessary for saying that clear and fairly implemented rules are needed before anything else.
And don't worry about been harsh.

[Jack Master]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

Ban aggressive manoeuvres in case there's a crash? Don't talk rubbish. Aggressive manoeuvres are what overtaking is about, Without aggression you would have no overtaking and would then have faster cars unable to overtake slower cars and following them round for 40 laps.

I believe you didn’t understand me or I´ve explained it in a wrong way.

[spankyham]

I think Pat Symonds summed my feelings up very well with his comment on this. Was along the lines of, overtaking should be like a goal in soccer, not like a basket in basketball.

He actually had a few interesting comments on overtaking and the findings and work of the committee looking into this in his podcast.

[vaptin]

I think Pat Symonds summed my feelings up very well with his comment on this. Was along the lines of, overtaking should be like a goal in soccer, not like a basket in basketball.

He actually had a few interesting comments on overtaking and the findings and work of the committee looking into this in his podcast.

As long as thats an average of 1/2 overtakes per driver, not per race!

[smokin]

I find truly important to clarify perfectly the rules about overtaken. I mean to state unified criteria. Especially when defending from be overtaken. You can defend with intelligence and experience, but sudden and aggressive maneuvers should be totally forbidened and HEAVELLY punished in all cases. Especially punished when they produce crashes. I think you know what I mean.
Of course the circuits and everything else.

Ban aggressive manoeuvres in case there's a crash? Don't talk rubbish. Aggressive manoeuvres are what overtaking is about, Without aggression you would have no overtaking and would then have faster cars unable to overtake slower cars and following them round for 40 laps.

I believe you didn’t understand me or I´ve explained it in a wrong way.

Maybe I did misunderstand you but you now appear to be saying that it's alright for the overtaker to attempt an overtake aggressively but the one being overtaken must respond meekly and allow the overtaking car past. I suspect that I am still misunderstanding you. There are already rules governing how you can defend - one movement and then hold your line - and these appear to be enforced consistently.

Your reference to Webber's crash with Kovalainen is puzzling and suggests that I did not misunderstand. Kovalainen was the one being overtaken and it did not look like he made any sudden or aggressive manoeuvres. I'm sure Webber would have mentioned it afterwards if he had. Webber just made a mistake - why should Webber be punished more than he already was by taking himself out of the race? You propose that aggressive defending be banned and then cite as an example a case where you believe that the overtaker should be punished for aggressive overtaking.

[Jack Master]

I don’t know if it is because my bad English or because you don´t want to understand. I was only saying that we need good foundations to build on. Rules must be clear and fairly implemented. For that we need unique criteria about what a driver can or cannot make while overtaking.
If I say that, it is because in my opinion we haven’t it at all at this moment. I’ve tried to put some examples to explain my point of view, but unfortunately, at least in your case, it didn’t work.
I believe that before implementing new changes to improve the chances of overtaking they must solve this problem.